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Quant Network: Token valuation dynamics and fundamentals

Quant Network: Token valuation dynamics and fundamentals
This post intends to illustrate the dynamics and fundamentals related to the mechanics and use of the Quant Network Utility Token (QNT), in order to provide the community with greater clarity around what holding the token actually means.
This is a follow-up on two articles David W previously wrote about Quant Network’s prospects and potential, which you can find here:
For holders not intending to use Overledger for business reasons, the primary goal of holding the QNT token is to benefit from price appreciation. Some are happy to believe that speculation will take the QNT price to much higher levels if and when large-scale adoption/implementation news comes out, whilst others may actually prefer to assess the token’s utility and analyse how it would react to various scenarios to justify a price increase based on fundamentals. The latter is precisely what I aim to look into in this article.
On that note, I have noticed that many wish to see institutional investors getting involved in the crypto space for their purchase power, but the one thing they would bring and that is most needed in my opinion is fundamental analysis and valuation expectations based on facts. Indeed, equity investors can probably access 20 or 30 reports that are 15 pages long and updated on a quarterly basis about any blue chip stock they are invested in, but how many of such (professional) analyst reports can you consult for your favorite crypto coins? Let me have a guess: none. This is unfortunate, and it is a further reason to look into the situation in more details.
To be clear, this article is not about providing figures on the expected valuation of the token, but rather about providing the community with a deeper analysis to better understand its meaning and valuation context. This includes going through the (vast) differences between a Utility Token and a Company Share since I understand it is still blurry in some people’s mind. I will incorporate my thoughts and perspective on these matters, which should not be regarded as a single source of truth but rather as an attempt to “dig deeper”.
In order to share these thoughts with you in the most pertinent manner, I have actually entirely modelled the Quant Treasury function and analysed how the QNT token would react to various scenarios based on a number of different factors. That does not mean there is any universal truth to be told, but it did help in clarifying how things work (with my understanding of the current ruleset at least, which may also evolve over time). This is an important safety net: if the intensity of speculation in crypto markets was to go lower from here, what would happen to the token price? How would Quant Treasury help support it? If the market can feel comfortable with such situation and the underlying demand for the token, then it can feel comfortable to take it higher based on future growth expectations — and that’s how it should be.
Finally, to help shed light on different areas, I must confess that I will have to go through some technicalities on how this all works and what a Utility Token actually is. That is the price to pay to gain that further, necessary knowledge and be in a position to assess the situation more thoroughly — but I will make it as readable as I possibly can, so… if are you ready, let’s start!

A Utility Token vs. a Company Share: what is the difference?

It is probably fair to say that many people involved in the crypto space are unfamiliar with certain key financial terms or concepts, simply because finance is not necessarily everyone’s background (and that is absolutely fine!). In addition, Digital Assets bring some very novel concepts, which means that everyone has to adapt in any case.
Therefore, I suggest we start with a comparison of the characteristics underpinning the QNT Utility Token and a Quant Network Company Share (as you may know, the Company Shares are currently privately held by the Quant Network founders). I believe it is important to look at this comparison for two reasons:
  1. Most people are familiar with regular Company Shares because they have been traded for decades, and it is often asked how Utility Tokens compare.
  2. Quant Network have announced a plan to raise capital to grow their business further (in the September 2019 Forbes article which you can find here). Therefore, regardless of whether the Share Offering is made public or private, I presume the community will want to better understand how things compare and the different dynamics behind each instrument.
So where does the QNT Utility Token sit in Quant Network company and how does it compare to a Quant Network Company Share? This is how it looks:
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What is on the right hand side of a balance sheet is the money a company has, and what is on the left hand side is how it uses it. Broadly speaking, the money the company has may come from the owners (Equity) or from the creditors (Debt). If I were to apply these concepts to an individual (you!), “Equity” is your net worth, “Debt” is your mortgage and other debt, and “Assets” is your house, car, savings, investments, crypto, etc.
As you can see, a Company Share and a Utility Token are found in different parts of the balance sheet — and that, in itself, is a major difference! They indeed serve two very different purposes:
  • Company Shares: they represent a share of a company’s ownership, meaning that you actually own [X]% of the company ([X]% = Number of shares you possess / Total number of shares) and hence [X]% of the company’s assets on the left hand side of the balance sheet.
  • Utility Tokens: they are keys to access a given platform (in our case, Quant Network’s Operating System: Overledger) and they can serve multiple purposes as defined by their Utility Document (in QNT’s case, the latest V0.3 version can be found here).
As a consequence, as a Company Shareholder, you are entitled to receive part or all of the profits generated by the company (as the case may arise) and you can also take part in the management decisions (indeed, with 0.00000001% of Apple shares, you have the corresponding right to vote to kick the CEO out if you want to!).
On the other hand, as a Utility Token holder, you have no such rights related to the company’s profits or management, BUT any usage of the platform has to go through the token you hold — and that has novel, interesting facets.

A Utility Token vs. a Company Share: what happens in practice?

Before we dig further, let’s now remind ourselves of the economic utilities of the QNT token (i.e. in addition to signing and encrypting transactions):
  1. Licences: a licence is mandatory for anyone who wishes to develop on the Overledger platform. Enterprises and Developers pay Quant Network in fiat money and Quant Treasury subsequently sets aside QNT tokens for the same amount (a diagram on how market purchases are performed can be found on the Overledger Treasury page here). The tokens are locked for 12 months, and the current understanding is that the amount of tokens locked is readjusted at each renewal date to the prevailing market price of QNT at the time (this information is not part of the Utility Token document as of now, but it was given in a previous Telegram AMA so I will assume it is correct pending further developments).
  2. Usage: this relates to the amount of Overledger read and write activity performed by clients on an ongoing basis, and also to the transfer of Digital Assets from one chain to another, and it follows a similar principle: fiat money is received by Quant Network, and subsequently converted in QNT tokens (these tokens are not locked, however).
  3. Gateways: information about Gateways has been released through the Overledger Network initiative (see dedicated website here), and we now know that the annual cost for running a Gateway will be 500 QNT whilst Gateway holders will receive a percentage of transaction fees going through their setup.
  4. Minimum holding amounts: the team has stated that there will be a minimum QNT holding amount put in place for every participant of the Overledger ecosystem, although the details have not been released yet.
That being said, it now becomes interesting to illustrate with indicative figures what actually happens as Licences, Usage and Gateways are paid for and Quant Network company operates. The following diagram may help in this respect:
Arbitrary figures from myself (i.e. no currency, no unit), based on an indicative 20% Net Income Ratio and a 40% Dividend yield
We have now two different perspectives:
  • On the right hand side, you see the simplified Profit & Loss account (“P&L”) which incorporates Total Revenues, from which costs and taxes are deducted, to give a Net Income for the company. A share of this Net Income may be distributed to Shareholders in the form of a Dividend, whilst the remainder is accounted as retained profits and goes back to the balance sheet as Equity to fund further growth for instance. Importantly, the Dividend (if any) is usually a portion of the Net Income so, using an indicative 40% Dividend yield policy, shareholders receive here for a given year 80 out of total company revenues of 1,000.
  • On the left hand side, you see the QNT requirements arising from the Overledger-related business activity which equal 700 here. Note that this is only a portion of the Total Revenues (1,000) you can see on the right hand side, as the team generates income from other sources as well (e.g. consultancy fees) — but I assume Overledger will represent the bulk of it since it is Quant Network’s flagship product and focus. In this case, the equivalent fiat amount of QNT tokens represents 700 (i.e. 100% of Overledger-related revenues) out of the company’s Total Revenues of 1,000. It is to be noted that excess reserves of QNT may be sold and generate additional revenues for the company, which would be outside of the Overledger Revenues mentioned above (i.e. they would fall in the “Other Revenues” category).
A way to summarise the situation from a very high level is: as a Company Shareholder you take a view on the company’s total profits whereas as a Utility Token holder you take a view on the company’s revenues (albeit Overledger-related).
It is however too early to reach any conclusion, so we now need to dig one level deeper again.

More considerations around Company Shares

As we discussed, with a Company Share, you possess a fraction of the company’s ownership and hence you have access to profits (and losses!). So how do typical Net Income results look in the technology industry? What sort of Dividend is usually paid? What sort of market valuations are subsequently achieved?
Let’s find out:
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As you can see, the typical Net Income Ratio varies between around 10% and 20% in the technology/software industry (using the above illustrated peer group). The ratio illustrates the proportion of Net Income extracted from Revenues.
In addition, money is returned to Company Shareholders in the form of a Dividend (i.e. a portion of the Net Income) and in the form of Share repurchases (whereby the company uses its excess cash position to buy back shares from Shareholders and hence diminish the number of Shares available). A company may however prefer to not redistribute any of the profits, and retain them instead to fund further business growth — Alphabet (Google) is a good example in this respect.
Interestingly, as you can see on the far right of the table, the market capitalisations of these companies reflect high multiples of their Net Income as investors expect the companies to prosper in the future and generate larger profits. If you wished to explore these ideas further, I recommend also looking into the Return on Equity ratio which takes into account the amount of resources (i.e. Capital/Equity) put to work to generate the companies’ profits.
It is also to be noted that the number of Company Shares outstanding may vary over time. Indeed, aside from Share repurchases that diminish the number of Shares available to the market, additional Shares may be issued to raise additional funds from the market hence diluting the ownership of existing Shareholders.
Finally, (regular) Company Shares are structured in the same way across companies and industries, which brings a key benefit of having them easily comparable/benchmarkable against one another for investors. That is not the case for Utility Tokens, but they come with the benefit of having a lot more flexible use cases.

More considerations around the QNT token

As discussed, the Utility Token model is quite novel and each token has unique functions designed for the system it is associated with. That does not make value assessment easy, since all Utility Tokens are different, and this is a further reason to have a detailed look into the QNT case.
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As a start, all assets that are used in a speculative way embed two components into their price:
A) one that represents what the asset is worth today, and
B) one that represents what it may be worth in the future.
Depending on whether the future looks bright or not, a price premium or a price discount may be attached to the asset price.
This is similar to what we just saw with Company Shares valuation multiples, and it is valid across markets. For instance, Microsoft generates around USD 21bn in annual Net Income these days, but the cost of acquiring it entirely is USD 1,094bn (!). This speculative effect is particularly visible in the crypto sector since valuation levels are usually high whilst usage/adoption levels are usually low for now.
So what about QNT? As mentioned, the QNT Utility model has novel, interesting facets. Since QNT is required to access and use the Overledger system, it is important to appreciate that Quant Network company has three means of action regarding the QNT token:
  1. MANAGING their QNT reserves on an ongoing basis (i.e. buying or selling tokens is not always automatic, they can allocate tokens from their own reserves depending on their liquidity position at any given time),
  2. BUYING/RECEIVING QNT from the market/clients on the back of business activity, and
  3. SELLING QNT when they deem their reserves sufficient and/or wish to sell tokens to cover for operational costs.
Broadly speaking, the above actions will vary depending on business performance, the QNT token price and the Quant Network company’s liquidity position.
We also have to appreciate how the QNT distribution will always look like, it can be broken down as follows:
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A) QNT tokens held by the QNT Community
B) QNT tokens held by Quant Network that are locked (i.e. those related to Licences)
C) QNT tokens held by Quant Network that are unlocked (i.e. those related to other usage, such as consumption fees and Gateways)
D) the minimum QNT amount held by all users of the platform (more information on this front soon)
So now that the situation is set, how would we assess Quant Network’s business activity effect on the QNT token?
STEP 1: We would need to define the range of minimum/maximum amounts of QNT which Quant Network would want to keep as liquid reserves (i.e. unlocked) on an ongoing basis. This affects key variables such as the proportion of market purchases vs. the use of their own reserves, and the amount of QNT sold back to the market. Also, interestingly, if Quant Network never wanted to keep less than, for instance, 1 million QNT tokens as liquid reserves, these 1 million tokens would have a similar effect on the market as the locked tokens because they would never be sold.
STEP 2: We would need to define the amount of revenues that are related to QNT. As we know, Overledger Licences, Usage and Gateways generate revenues converted into QNT (or in QNT directly). So the correlation is strong between revenues and QNT needs. Interestingly, the cost of a licence is probably relatively low today in order to facilitate adoption and testing, but it will surely increase over time. The same goes for usage fees, especially as we move from testing/pilot phases to mass implementation. The number of clients will also increase. The Community version of Overledger is also set to officially launch next year. More information on revenue potential can be found later in this article.
STEP 3: We would need to define an evolution of the QNT token price over time and see how things develop with regards to Quant Network’s net purchase/sale of tokens every month (i.e. tokens required - tokens sold = net purchased/sold tokens).
Once assumptions are made, what do we observe?
In an undistorted environment, there is a positive correlation between Quant Network’s QNT-related revenues and the market capitalisation they occupy (i.e. the Quant Network share of the token distribution multiplied by the QNT price). However, this correlation can get heavily twisted as the speculative market prices a premium to the QNT price (i.e. anticipating higher revenues). As we will see, a persistent discount is not really possible as Quant Treasury would mechanically have to step in with large market purchases, which would provide strong support to the QNT price.
In addition, volatility is to be added to the equation since QNT volatility is likely to be (much) higher than that of revenues which can create important year-on-year disparities. For instance, Quant Treasury may lock a lot of tokens at a low price one year, and be well in excess of required tokens the next year if the QNT token price has significantly increased (and vice versa). This is not an issue per se, but this would impact the amount of tokens bought/sold on an ongoing basis by Quant Treasury as reserves inflate/deflate.
If we put aside the distortions created by speculation on the QNT price, and the subsequent impact on the excess/deficiency of Quant Network token reserves (whose level is also pro-actively managed by the company, as previously discussed), the economic system works as follows:
High QNT price vs. Revenue levels: The value of reserves is inflated, fewer tokens need to be bought for the level of revenues generated, Quant Treasury provides low support to the QNT price, its share of the token distribution diminishes.
Low QNT price vs. Revenue levels: Reserves run out, a higher number of tokens needs to be bought for the level of revenues generated, Quant Treasury provides higher support to the QNT price, its share of the token distribution increases.
Summary table:
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The key here is that, whatever speculation on future revenue levels does to the token in the first place, if the QNT price was falling and reaching a level that does not reflect the prevailing revenue levels of Overledger at a given time, then Quant Treasury would require a larger amount of tokens to cover the business needs which would mean the depletion of their reserves, larger purchases from the market and strong support for the QNT price from here. This is the safety net we want to see, coming from usage! Indeed, in other words, if the QNT price went very high very quickly, Quant Treasury may not be seen buying much tokens since their reserves would be inflated BUT that fall back mechanics purely based on usage would be there to safeguard QNT holders from the QNT price falling below a certain level.
I would assume this makes sense for most, and you might now wonder why have I highlighted the bottom part about the token distribution in red? That is because there is an ongoing battle between the QNT community and Quant Treasury — and this is very interesting.
The ecosystem will show how big a share is the community willing to let Quant Network represent. The community actually sets the price for the purchases, and the token distribution fluctuates depending on the metrics we discussed. An equilibrium will be formed based on the confidence the market has in Quant Network’s future revenue generation. Moreover, the QNT community could perceive the token as a Store of Value and be happy to hold 80/90% of all tokens for instance, or it could perceive QNT as more dynamic or risky and be happy to only represent 60/70% of the distribution. Needless to say that, considering my previous articles on the potential of Overledger, I think we will tend more towards the former scenario. Indeed, if you wished to store wealth with a technology-agnostic, future proof, globally adopted, revenue-providing (through Gateways) Network of Networks on which most of the digitalised value is flowing through — wouldn’t you see QNT as an appealing value proposition?
In a nutshell, it all comes down to the Overledger revenue levels and the QNT holders’ resistence to buy pressure from Quant Treasury. Therefore, if you are confident in the Overledger revenue generation and wish to see the QNT token price go up, more than ever, do not sell your tokens!
What about the locked tokens? There will always be a certain amount of tokens that are entirely taken out of circulation, but Quant Network company will always keep additional unlocked tokens on top of that (those they receive and manage as buffer) and that means that locked tokens will always be a subset of what Quant Network possesses. I do not know whether fees will primarily be concentrated on the licencing side vs. the usage side, but if that were to be the case then it would be even better as a higher amount of tokens would be taken out of circulation for good.
Finally, as long as the company operates, the revenues will always represent a certain amount of money whereas this is not the case for profits which may not appear before years (e.g. during the first years, during an economic/business downturn, etc.). As an illustration, a company like Uber has seen vast increases in revenues since it launched but never made any profit! Therefore, the demand for the QNT token benefits from good resilience from that perspective.
Quant Network vs. QNT community — What proportion of the QNT distribution will each represent?

How much revenues can Overledger generate?

I suggest we start with the basis of what the Quant Network business is about: connecting networks together, building new-generation hyper-decentralised apps on top (called “mApps”), and creating network effects.
Network effects are best defined by Metcalfe’s law which states: “the effect of a telecommunications network is proportional to the square of the number of connected users of the system” (Source: Wikipedia). This is illustrated by the picture below, which demonstrates the increasing number of possible connections for each new user added to the network. This was also recently discussed in a YouTube podcast by QNT community members “Luke” and “Ghost of St. Miklos” which you can watch here.
Source: applicoinc.com
This means that, as Overledger continues to connect more and more DLTs of all types between themselves and also with legacy systems, the number of users (humans or machines) connected to this Network of Networks will grow substantially — and the number of possible connections between participants will in turn grow exponentially. This will increase the value of the network, and hence the level of fees associated with getting access to it. This forms the basis of expected, future revenue generation and especially in a context where Overledger remains unique as of today and embraced by many of the largest institutions in the world (see the detailed summary on the matter from community member “Seq” here).
On top of this network, multi-chain hyper-decentralised applications (‘mApps’) can be built — which are an upgrade to existing dApps that use only one chain at a time and hence only benefit from the user base and functionalities of the given chain. Overledger mApps can leverage on the users and abilities of all connected chains at the same time, horizontal scaling, the ability to write/move code in any language across chains as required, write smart contracts on blockchains that do not support them (e.g. Bitcoin), and provide easier connection to other systems. dApps have barely had any success so far, as discussed in my first article, but mApps could provide the market with the necessary tools to build applications that can complement or rival what can be found on the Apple or Google Play store.
Also, the flexibility of Overledger enables Quant Network to target a large number of industries and to connect them all together. A sample of use cases can be found in the following illustration:
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It is to be noted that one of the use cases, namely the tokenisation of the entire world’s assets, represents a market worth hundreds of trillions of USD and that is not even including the huge amount of illiquid assets not currently traded on traditional Capital Markets which could benefit from the tokenisation process. More information on the topic can be found in my previous article fully focused on the potential of Overledger to capture value from the structural shift in the world’s assets and machine-related data/value transfers.
Finally, we can look at what well established companies with a similar technology profile have been able to achieve. Overledger is an Operating System for DLTs and legacy systems on top of which applications can be built. The comparison to Microsoft Windows and the suite of Microsoft Software running on top (e.g. Microsoft Office) is an obvious one from that perspective to gauge the longer term potential.
As you can see below, Microsoft’s flagship softwares such as Windows and Office each generate tens of billions of USD of revenues every year:
Source: Geekwire
We can also look at Oracle, the second largest Enterprise software company in the world:
Source: Statista
We can finally look at what the Apple store and the Google Play store generate, since the Quant Network “mApp store” for the community side of Overledger will look to replicate a similar business model with hyper-decentralised applications:
Source: Worldwide total revenue by app store, 2018 ($bn)
The above means total revenues of around USD 70bn in 2018 for the Apple store and Google Play store combined, and the market is getting bigger year-on-year! Also, again, these (indicative!) reference points for Overledger come in the context of the Community version of the system only, since the Enterprise version represents a separate set of verticals more comparable to the likes of Microsoft and Oracle which we just looked at.

Conclusion

I hope this article helped shed further light on the QNT token and how the various market and business parameters will influence its behavior over time, as the Quant Network business is expected to grow exponentially in the coming years.
In the recent Forbes interview, Quant Network’s CEO (Gilbert Verdian) stated : “Our potential to grow is uncapped as we change and transform industries by creating a secure layer between them at speed. Our vision is to build a mass version of what I call an internet of trust, where value can be securely transferred between global partners not relying on defunct internet security but rather that of blockchain.”.
This is highly encouraging with regards to business prospects and also in comparison to what other companies have been able to achieve since the Web as we know it today emerged (e.g. Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc.). The Internet is now entering a new phase, with DLT technology at its core, and Overledger is set to be at the forefront of this new paradigm which will surely offer a vast array of new opportunities across sectors.
I believe it is an exciting time for all of us to be part of the journey, as long as any financial commitment is made with a good sense of responsibility and understanding of what success comes down to. “Crypto” is still immature in many respects, and the emergence of a dedicated regulatory framework combined with the expected gradual, selective entrance of institutional money managers will hopefully help shed further light and protect retail token holders from the misunderstandings, misinformation and misconduct which too many have suffered from in the last years.
Thanks for your time and interest.
Appendix:
First article: “The reasons why Quant Network (QNT) will rise to the Top of the crypto sphere in the coming months”
Second article: “The potential of Quant Network’s technology to capture value from the structural shift in the World’s assets and machine-related data/value transfers”
October 2019 City AM interview of Gilbert Verdian (CEO): Click here
October 2019 Blockchain Brad interview of Gilbert Verdian (CEO): Click here
July 2019 Blockchain Brad interview of Gilbert Verdian (CEO): Click here
February 2019 Blockchain Brad interview of Gilbert Verdian (CEO): Click here
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About the original author of the article:
My name is David and I spent years in the Investment Banking industry in London. I hold QNT tokens and the above views are based on my own thoughts and research only. I am not affiliated with the Quant Network team in any way. This is not investment advice, please do your own research and understand what you are buying before doing so. It is also my belief that more than 90% of all other crypto projects will fail because what matters is what is getting adopted; please do not put more money at risk than you can afford to lose.
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Humble guide of an average player, for discouraged players

-= Version 2.0 : Thank one million times to Iagolan for his great help on translation ! =-
https://reddit.com/link/aswvv7/video/omzaoeb35sh21/player
I'm sharing this little collection of funny nape-shots mainly to give a general overview of the subject. Also to show you how I die the majority of the time as 100% solo player. No tears, except maybe for the naked-high-ping-players I've missed aside the truck lol
This post is all about the pleasure extracted from the game's mechanisms and nothing else. If you’re looking for information to transform yourself into an absolute God of Tarkov than you’ve already failed, and you're wasting your precious time reading this post.
Also, I want to share my love for the work done at many levels in this game. Instead pushing you to "bypass" it at any cost, then only enjoy maybe 10% of the game at the price of making it a repetitive task.
I want to dedicate this post mostly to discouraged players that have difficulties finding their way in this game. I promise you that when you fully understand how this game is built, the pleasure will be guaranteed, no matter your stats. And by that I don't mean "how to abuse it" in every single way possible.
I will start with :

A list of decent Warnings


Number 1
Other people’s stories of what happened on their raids should be taken with a grain of salt. They are often blown out of proportion.
By default, I don't take anything seriously until I see a video or something, because obviously in game it's rare to encounter what all these loud people describe. It creates a distortion of reality than can be discouraging at the beginning.
And in Tarkov, fake advice to create free kills in hot spots to farm are also not uncommon. It's easy to fall in this trap when you’re new, and I've suffered nightmare raids myself until I became less naive. I suppose that’s why BSG have created Sherpa programs etc ...
Stay rational, and eventually ask a Sherpa. I've never tried this program myself but i've encountered some, and they are valuable players truly involved in their role of bodyguards and mentors. It's free and smart, so why not give it a try !

Number 2
Streamers/youtubers. I will take care and I will try to be short because in Tarkov they are often a subject of devotion. I can respect that btw but it's sometimes hard to be critical for this unique reason.
BUT let's be real, they are professionals paid/sponsored/whatever to produce spectacular shows. So by definition the style of their gameplay (in one way or another, highly dependent on their audience) and their (daily) training don't accurately represent the average player.
Add to it than it's a competitive sector : you have to be growing or you're failing. Instead of using their shows as reference, think of them as an entertainment. It is also not really a good way to find ... his way. At my low level they only made me hate the Labs and to never play this map when seeing the gameplay involved. Behind this very personal glimpse into what I'm seeking in this game, there is a partial answer for those that are feeling lost : respect your own tastes first and always remember what kind of experience you want to have in the game. No one can tell you the right way to play this game as long as your behavior is clean and not destructive for the future of this game.

Number 3
You will read tons of criticisms of the game's mechanisms, tons of absolute rules on ammo, armors, AI ... the list is infinite and it will never end. Nothing abnormal by the way.
But if you start to take them all seriously in your own gameplay, you're just doomed. No joke. The same user can say that he has too much money and that it's boring, and the next hour complain that his "most expensive armor of the game" is not strong enough. You can extend that idea to the AI and everything else lol And here is the trap, everyone is trying to have more advantages in this punishing game, and it often creates paradoxical equations that are hard to decypher.
Don't forget what kind of player you really are, and that this beautiful game can truly permit every play style.

There is no way to best start in this game. And it's splendid.


Most of you are coming from previous FPS, and you have by definition a profile. Instead trying to make a list, I will more share what kind of player I am and how I've made the adaptation to Tarkov.
At the moment I'm a stupid wardog on a quest for excitement. In team I mostly recon and push opportunities. Just like this stupid dog running after the sheep to drive them to a point.
So the movement penalty has a bigger importance for me than anything else :
- I choose the bag with the least penalties, and I limit the size to what I really need. And when I just need blood, I play without bag.
- I choose the armor with the best points/price/penalty delta for the purpose (stupid rush, sneaky loot, quest, tourism ...)
- I choose the most reactive weapons, so in a way I keep them light and simple to use.
- I'm not a "pinatas" at all, even if i loot constantly
I respect the player I am and I'm searching within the game's mechanisms for the best way to express it. I never fighting against myself to push myself to play in a way than is not natural.
And this is the most essential starting point in this punishing game : to be the most natural to your own style. The more you fight against your instincts, the less you will learn from your nape-shots (lol) but also the less your raids will have meaning.
Remembering the player you are is imho more useful in this specific game than driving an avatar in raid that is totally opposite of your style.

Offline training : demonstration

https://youtu.be/cao8q_UINXI

Also, that's how I start my "day". I never launch a PMC raid “cold". I alternate lucrative runs with my skav and offline training until I feel I'm ready to die with honor lol
My suggestion is to make your own personalized training. You're the only one who knows what will work the best. But never choose the easy way, farming is just pointless. You're bad at medics management ? Go in raid with no medics; use the only the ones you loot. You're too addicted to the full auto mode? Go in training with only one additional mag. etc ... Be smart and generate the worst situation for you. Most of the time these weakness are just a question of understanding, and often competitive advantages will develop when you work on them.

The settings of the "mission"
- no armor, no helmet, no face shield
- of course, the weapon you want to make more natural to use : only the mods that you've judged necessary, no aim-assistance at all
- all medic types are ok, but don't load your avatar like a hospital
- manage your ammo like you're doing a normal PMC raid, but try to limit the amount of your mags to the strict minimum
- no pressure, try to focus on the point you should work on (cover, aim, moves, map knowledge etc ...)
- I think personally that Factory is perfect for this because it's fast to load, fast to do and frantic. But I also train in other maps by function of my needs.

The content of the "mission"
- you have to loot the whole map : all boxes, vests, spawn locations. It's important to keep the training activity interesting.
- you have to loot all bots you've killed and consider it as "loot training". Work the speed of your analysis : name of ammos, weapons, compatible weapons, mods etc ...
- food and drinks are also tactical items, it's less obvious with bots but while in raid a single can of tar cola can turn you from fake innocent prey to a vicious predator. Tips lol : when you hear someone that is using loud drinks and food in Interchange, 75% of the time it's me trying to attract a geared pinata in search of an easy free kill ^^
- one time through and if all loot spots are done, go to the exfil. The session is over.
- once you’ve mastered this type of training with the chosen weapon: don't heal your arms and let them become black. It will open a new training for this weapon : mastering it in the worst conditions for aiming. In this mode, you have to aim very fast and to can’t maintain your ADS for long : stamina management.
- once the "black arms training" is done, do the "black legs training". It also changes the manner you aim, and your moves become drastically more annoying while you're aiming. It's also the perfect context to work on your hip fire skills. Don't worry, painkillers don't really affect the training and it helps you learn to memorize their timings (length of effects).
- Intensively use all type of injectors you find and learn to enjoy their bad side effects, and how to manage their timing.

The paradox of the Skav


I know that leveling your PMC is important to be more free in terms of modding and possibilities but your Skav is an easy, highly lucrative, beast. Not to use it is like shooting in yourself in the foot.
And the Skav's raids are excellent training. Not only because it permits you to learn the maps and the hot spots, but also because he spawns with a random set of which you have no control. It's not an easy mode at all, you have to understand it first.
When you spawn with a TOZ, two mags, no armor and no medic in the Shoreline village ... you can expect a challenge and you need to quickly kill someone with more handy equipment. Bot or not.
The most important to remember for these "unpopular" raids is the fact that it will help you to work on your adaptation to a given map. And that playing as a Skav mostly at the beginning :
- is not a shame at all due to the inherent difficulties of the random set
- is serious training to the map
To compensate the lack of leveling of your PMC, do the quests like crazy. First the ones involving only buying objects, then the ones involving "place/hide/deliver" something in the map. Do it naked, by night if you can, without shame. You haven’t broken the gameplay at all, and you can expect cowards camping the quest spots in all maps. Just like the ones camping the exfils during at close to an hour in. So at least take a pistol with one spare mag but don't engage, only defend your escape in this case.
In closing, I'm now level 43 soon and I still use my skav like a slave. Especially when I'm working a weapon offline to find its best combo for a specific use. "One PMC raid, one skav raid at factory" is my daily routine now ^^

Basic considerations about weapons


Now we enter in the weapon's section, my favorite aspect of the game. And i will start with a very basic consideration. The models matter, yes, but the game's mechanisms are pushed so far than it doesn't matter in the way of most of online FPS. There is no linear and automatic increase of lethal potential, it's a fake idea. You can be a serious treat with any type of weapon.
1) Sort the weapons by the main ammo you should stock for it
Going in raid with a 9mm is absolutely not the same gameplay as with a 5.45, and this difference is the same with a 5.45 VS 7.62 or a 7.62 vs 5.56 weapon. If you play the same with all ammo, you already have a problem to fix there.
You have to adapt your style to the ammo used, to optimize the costs of your raids, but also your chances to survive.
In the same vein you would take the weapon with the bigger ammo stock first. Buying ammo must be considered only when you're at ease with your roubles and you have a margin of error that will not risk breaking the good equilibrium that you have found in raid or in offline trainings.
2) Feelings are everything
If you don't have the feel for a model of weapon in its original state, stock, it doesn’t make any sense to mod it to make it enjoyable. And I dare say that it's the worst habit you can make in this game. This is a devastated area at war, not a supermarket with magic credit cards.
I was tempted to give you a list of weapons but there’s no point. My feelings are not universal. Instead I will give you an effective way to find the ones that are made for you. And it's pretty simple and quick.
Play Skav until you have collected the majority of weapons of one class, without considering anything but the obligation to be absolutely not modded. At all. Eventually buy the missing ones, but don't be afraid, it's a good investment for later.
Launch an offline raid in Factory without any armor or helmet with Skavs "as online" for both options. High number and horde become quickly useless, and it's not especially harder.
Play the hard way, and feel the gun "as is". Do multiple offline raids with the same setup if necessary, some take time to understand. Give high attention to your scoreboard every single time to count the number of Skavs but also where they were hit (headshots, legs, arm, chest ...). It will inform you if you're able to improve quickly with this weapon or if it’s asking too much of yourself to be reactive in a PMC raid under stress.
Even if the weapon is known as the "best weapon in the universe", just sell it if you have a hard time improving with it from one offline raid to the next. Trust your feelings, and the scoreboard, first.
Once you have found the best weapon for you in each category of ammo, it's time to train your brain for real. Do one more offline raid in Factory, weapon not modded at all. Don't forget to loot everything offline, it not only triggers the bots but it also trains you to sounds and to loot safely.
When your favorite weapons become your best armor offline, you can consider that you're ready for a ride.

3) Iron sights are not your enemy. And they are free.
There are exceptions of course (making versatile a shotgun for long range on large maps, night vision etc ...) but iron sights are OP most of the time. They are not only a cost efficient way to increase the ergonomics and the reactivity, they also offer the best angle of vision of the game. No dead angle, minimal stutter when you're in the middle of a mess, natural feelings ... the advantages offered by stock sights are numerous. Not only to make your Skav op with all weapons he's looting on others skav ...

3) Modding should have a reason, the stats aren't everything.
It's a big temptation to mount everything possible on your favorite gun, and the best way to increase drastically the cost of your raids.
Most of the more common modding are in fact not so far from the no-modded state and it's easy to compare offline in a wall or something. You will generally get similar ergo and accuracy as a maxed out modded weapon, from a stock weapon while crouched. That’s the sad truth.
So, try to find a balance between what is necessary and what is optional.
You're broke or need money for quests? Only the necessary.
You're fine with your roubles? Will these options give you a real advantage in the battle ground for this raid?
Is it really necessary to mount this expensive AN/PEQ instead working more on your hip fire skills with this weapon?
etc ..
update/note/warning : Take the "AN/PEQ equation" as a radical and personnal image of the concept.

4) Ammos and the cost of the death
If you die with four mags full of expensive ammo, it's not an especially a good strategy. Minimize the number of mags and try to carry your expensive ammo in your secure container. Train your sense of timing to manually reload your mags in safe zones. I'm often nape-shooted when I engage a sexy target, but i never die when I refill my mags. And I often reload in plain action ^^
Similarly, how much will killing this Skav cost in ammos ? 10K ? 50K ? Is it really necessary to spray it ? If it's necessary, do you really play with the right weapon ?
All of that to say : integrate the ammo and the number of shots into the cost of your raids. Be smart and protective with your best bullets as well.

5) A dedicated I-case to bookmark your favorite weapons is your friend
Have you found the ultimate cost-effective mod for the AK74N ? Put it in your I-case and each time you need one, right click and use the "filter by item" on the mods like crazy. The gain of time and brain space is no joke. Add to it that with the levels you take as PMC, the costs will change and the growth in usefulness of this reference also.

Basic considerations about armors


What is the maximum armor points of this armor? Will repairing it will be more expensive than buying a new fresh one?
That’s a starting point on how you should consider armor. Taking into account that a gen4 or stronger will not protect you from a headshot, or from a bad decision (watch my video again ^^).
I don't suggest you copy my strategy but I will share it to show that you have to think about that too.
- Am i playing with a weapon I'm mastering?
Yes : class 4 is enough, No : gen4
- If I'm watching my roubles, is it the right moment to risk this raid with a weapon i'm not mastering and expensive armor ?
Yes : let's have fun, No : let's skav' a bit more with offline training in between
etc ...
I must add that I never buy helmets and headphones, but more cosmetic items for the head of my PMC.
It's a personal style, not a rule.
Headsets give me headache, don't correct the messy sound localization, and as a bonus make me less efficient during a safe run. Yes i know, my big collection of nape-shot will decrease with a more frequent use of headset, but to have a more secure shooting position against cowards would be more useful than to rely on an item I don't like to use.
Headshots are too rare for my PMC to justify an expensive helmet in all raids, and I've destroyed too many helmets with 7.62 (to preserve the armor to loot lol) to rely on it.
I would rather rely on movement and positioning, at the risk of being headshot more often, than increase the size of my head as a target. ^^

I will repeat how I rate the game mechanisms in term of fun and progression :
  1. My first armor is - the right weapon for the right action
  2. My second armor is - cover
  3. My third armor is - armor that permits me to escape alive from a situation I can't face

Basic tricks to maintain the flow


Now, I will share some random tricks I've discovered in playing, that are efficient and respectful of the game in same time. The alliance of both generate fun that is naturally renewed without much effort (well that's not true, the devs have stopped to have a social life for that lol)

The loot paradigm
My goal is not to be the one that has the most roubles in game, but the one that is having the most fun ^^ I don't play to be angry, sad, or to generate a negative stress. Only cheaters generate unplanned negative stress while I'm playing, but that's another story and it's never for the gear I lost this way, but for the reputation of the game at long term.
So, the current strategy is to run hot spots (keys, quest items etc ...) no matter what and no matter the localization of the spawn. Naked or not, racing speed hackers or not, try to be the first one there. And the main reason I find battles lately is this concentration. I find it a sad and boring way to play personally, but it is allowed. At least it permits me to never need to search for groups when I want a bloody fight, I know right where to find them.
On my side I just loot everything, at this point I have two lucky skav box that I constantly fill with everything. Why? Because the "required search" right-click is my friend. There are tons of valuable items than you can get this way, to resell if it's not your poison or to stack if you use them.
Even if I get tons of Mosins from my skav, I collect the car battery.
And ammo ... I'm just addicted. I collect everything to put in the 6 ammo boxes in my inventory. When the 7.62 box is full of LPS, when I'm not planning to play Mosin for a mission, or to annoy the full geared Factory's campers ... I sell them for a good price in one listing. And it quickly refills the rouble stash.
It's important to realize that everything could be useful to loot, and that someday it pay off.

The FLEA
The first thing to learn with the FLEA, is the right price of items at a given time. But also to know when it's strategic to buy in temporarily.
It's 2AM, you need bitcoins to trade for a weapon case or for a mission and the lowest price is in the 150K range? Why not wait for rush hour tomorrow afternoon and save maybe up to 30K-40K per bitcoin by being picky? For a weapon case it represents 270K to 360K of roubles not spent, so an OP 100% armor or 4 decently modded weapons at least.
For mods, the prices tend to be more stable and the sellers more specialized. And at the beginning it's more strategic to learn how to be lethal with stock weapons, and level up this way imho. Not only to save roubles, but also to wisely mod your weapons with a good reason to spend money behind. So you finally mastered the recoil of this AK without help ... maybe you will invest more in a nice scope or a silencer than in useless ergo/recoil mods ... etc ...
You see my point?
On the selling side, i've the tendency to go against the grain and to undercut all time. Sometimes ridiculously cheaper, like selling buckshot for 15 roubles each to empty my "sales" ammo box. Don't be sad for the extra money you don't make, because you will mostly sell items you got for free. The turn over of your sales is more important than the high margin you can made, because the goal is to sell everything before you can complete two raids.
Do your maths : do you prefer to sell 10 comtacs a day at 15K, or one per day at 30K ? ^^ It costs you only 6 matches of loot, and there are matches everywhere on the maps.
Last but not least, quickly bookmark in your head only the items than sell fast, and sell everything else to the traders directly. You don’t want your selling rate to increase slowly, so don't waste your time with items than will lock one slot longer than a raid at the begin.

The conclusion : offer the gameplay than you want to encounter

I know, there is a lot of boring players and exfil campers etc ... but even if what I say sounds harsh : don't be a useless player.
You can start to improve your gameplay even at your low level. Just like you're expecting from others. Without you, there is no gameplay.
You're a bit angry about the exfil campers? Invent a mission in your mind and be a crusader with your fearless Skav : suicide killing the campers lol It's not useless for others or for you, it will train your madness and your reflex aiming.
That’s just one example from thousands of possibilities, but never forget that no matter your level and skills, you can leverage the quality of systems in this game. Just like everyone else.
Now, as to stats, I will not say that it doesn’'t matter and that you can ignore it, but the reverse. These stats are the concrete representation of your new strategy and choices. But they don't have to be your goal in this game, ever. Just a way to judge you evolution and to make changes to your training to improve them.
I will dare to suggest a first decent goal to reach in Tarkov :
- A survival rate of 30% : yes it looks low like that but when you have reached this rate, you can consider that you're no longer an "innocent target" and that you're starting to be a threat.
- A stabilized kill / death ratio of 1.5 : it just means than you're not being farmed by others and it's good for the ego. It's time now to aim 2.0/2.5 and be proud to never die alone.

Side notes

I've totally avoided in the equation cheaters, bugs, destructive behaviors, and hardware requirements to be competitive, and the strategy to adopt in facing these problematics. My considerations are totally focused on the gameplay that you produce for yourself.
I hope it will help some to restrain their shame of failing to evolve in this game within one day, to be more free in their choices but also to give the game more of a chance. Pure players with pure intentions are always the most wanted in this type of game, everything else is about the time you give to yourself to improve and methods to do it. By playing a nightmare because you try to be a gamer that you're not, or having fun and enjoying the game as it was meant to be played, obviously with love imho.
Good luck !
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Bitcoin's market *price* is trying to rally, but it is currently constrained by Core/Blockstream's artificial *blocksize* limit. Chinese miners can only win big by following the market - not by following Core/Blockstream. The market will always win - either with or without the Chinese miners.

TL;DR:
Chinese miners should think very, very carefully:
The market will always win - with or without you.
The choice is yours.
UPDATE:
The present post also inspired nullc Greg Maxwell (CTO of Blockstream) to later send me two private messages.
I posted my response to him, here:
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4ir6xh/greg_maxwell_unullc_cto_of_blockstream_has_sent/
Details
If Chinese miners continue using artificially constrained code controlled by Core/Blockstream, then Bitcoin price / adoption / volume will also be artificially constrained, and billions (eventually trillions) of dollars will naturally flow into some other coin which is not artificially constrained.
The market always wins.
The market will inevitably determine the blocksize and the price.
Core/Blockstream is temporarily succeeding in suppressing the blocksize (and the price), and Chinese miners are temporarily cooperating - for short-term, relatively small profits.
But eventually, inevitably, billions (and later trillions) of dollars will naturally flow into the unconstrained, free-market coin.
That winning, free-market coin can be Bitcoin - but only if Chinese miners remove the artificial 1 MB limit and install Bitcoin Classic and/or Bitcoin Unlimited.
Previous posts:
There is not much new to say here - we've been making the same points for months.
Below is a summary of the main arguments and earlier posts:
Previous posts providing more details on these economic arguments are provided below:
This graph shows Bitcoin price and volume (ie, blocksize of transactions on the blockchain) rising hand-in-hand in 2011-2014. In 2015, Core/Blockstream tried to artificially freeze the blocksize - and artificially froze the price. Bitcoin Classic will allow volume - and price - to freely rise again.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/44xrw4/this_graph_shows_bitcoin_price_and_volume_ie/
Bitcoin has its own E = mc2 law: Market capitalization is proportional to the square of the number of transactions. But, since the number of transactions is proportional to the (actual) blocksize, then Blockstream's artificial blocksize limit is creating an artificial market capitalization limit!
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4dfb3bitcoin_has_its_own_e_mc2_law_market/
(By the way, before some sophomoric idiot comes in here and says "causation isn't corrrelation": Please note that nobody used the word "causation" here. But there does appear to be a rough correlation between Bitcoin volume and price, as would be expected.)
The Nine Miners of China: "Core is a red herring. Miners have alternative code they can run today that will solve the problem. Choosing not to run it is their fault, and could leave them with warehouses full of expensive heating units and income paid in worthless coins." – tsontar
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/3xhejm/the_nine_miners_of_china_core_is_a_red_herring/
Just click on these historical blocksize graphs - all trending dangerously close to the 1 MB (1000KB) artificial limit. And then ask yourself: Would you hire a CTO / team whose Capacity Planning Roadmap from December 2015 officially stated: "The current capacity situation is no emergency" ?
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/3ynswc/just_click_on_these_historical_blocksize_graphs/
Blockstream is now controlled by the Bilderberg Group - seriously! AXA Strategic Ventures, co-lead investor for Blockstream's $55 million financing round, is the investment arm of French insurance giant AXA Group - whose CEO Henri de Castries has been chairman of the Bilderberg Group since 2012.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/
Austin Hill [head of Blockstream] in meltdown mode, desperately sending out conflicting tweets: "Without Blockstream & devs, who will code?" -vs- "More than 80% contributors of bitcoin core are volunteers & not affiliated with us."
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/48din1/austin_hill_in_meltdown_mode_desperately_sending/
Be patient about Classic. It's already a "success" - in the sense that it has been tested, released, and deployed, with 1/6 nodes already accepting 2MB+ blocks. Now it can quietly wait in the wings, ready to be called into action on a moment's notice. And it probably will be - in 2016 (or 2017).
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/44y8ut/be_patient_about_classic_its_already_a_success_in/
Classic will definitely hard-fork to 2MB, as needed, at any time before January 2018, 28 days after 75% of the hashpower deploys it. Plus it's already released. Core will maybe hard-fork to 2MB in July 2017, if code gets released & deployed. Which one is safer / more responsive / more guaranteed?
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/46ywkk/classic_will_definitely_hardfork_to_2mb_as_needed/
"Bitcoin Unlimited ... makes it more convenient for miners and nodes to adjust the blocksize cap settings through a GUI menu, so users don't have to mod the Core code themselves (like some do now). There would be no reliance on Core (or XT) to determine 'from on high' what the options are." - ZB
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/3zki3h/bitcoin_unlimited_makes_it_more_convenient_fo
BitPay's Adaptive Block Size Limit is my favorite proposal. It's easy to explain, makes it easy for the miners to see that they have ultimate control over the size (as they always have), and takes control away from the developers. – Gavin Andresen
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/40kmny/bitpays_adaptive_block_size_limit_is_my_favorite/
More info on Adaptive Blocksize:
https://np.reddit.com/bitcoin+btc/search?q=adaptive&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all
Core/Blockstream is not Bitcoin. In many ways, Core/Blockstream is actually similar to MtGox. Trusted & centralized... until they were totally exposed as incompetent & corrupt - and Bitcoin routed around the damage which they had caused.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/47735j/coreblockstream_is_not_bitcoin_in_many_ways/
Satoshi Nakamoto, October 04, 2010, 07:48:40 PM "It can be phased in, like: if (blocknumber > 115000) maxblocksize = largerlimit / It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete."
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/3wo9pb/satoshi_nakamoto_october_04_2010_074840_pm_it_can/
Theymos: "Chain-forks [='hardforks'] are not inherently bad. If the network disagrees about a policy, a split is good. The better policy will win" ... "I disagree with the idea that changing the max block size is a violation of the 'Bitcoin currency guarantees'. Satoshi said it could be increased."
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/45zh9d/theymos_chainforks_hardforks_are_not_inherently/
"They [Core/Blockstream] fear a hard fork will remove them from their dominant position." ... "Hard forks are 'dangerous' because they put the market in charge, and the market might vote against '[the] experts' [at Core/Blockstream]" - ForkiusMaximus
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/43h4cq/they_coreblockstream_fear_a_hard_fork_will_remove/
Mike Hearn implemented a test version of thin blocks to make Bitcoin scale better. It appears that about three weeks later, Blockstream employees needlessly commit a change that breaks this feature
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/43iup7/mike_hearn_implemented_a_test_version_of_thin/
This ELI5 video (22 min.) shows XTreme Thinblocks saves 90% block propagation bandwidth, maintains decentralization (unlike the Fast Relay Network), avoids dropping transactions from the mempool, and can work with Weak Blocks. Classic, BU and XT nodes will support XTreme Thinblocks - Core will not.
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/4cvwru/this_eli5_video_22_min_shows_xtreme_thinblocks/
More info in Xtreme Thinblocks:
https://np.reddit.com/bitcoin+btc/search?q=xtreme+thinblocks&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all
4 weird facts about Adam Back: (1) He never contributed any code to Bitcoin. (2) His Twitter profile contains 2 lies. (3) He wasn't an early adopter, because he never thought Bitcoin would work. (4) He can't figure out how to make Lightning Network decentralized. So... why do people listen to him??
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/47fr3p/4_weird_facts_about_adam_back_1_he_neve
I think that it will be easier to increase the volume of transactions 10x than it will be to increase the cost per transaction 10x. - jtoomim (miner, coder, founder of Classic)
https://np.reddit.com/btc/comments/48gcyj/i_think_that_it_will_be_easier_to_increase_the/
Spin-offs: bootstrap an altcoin with a btc-blockchain-based initial distribution
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.480
More info on "spinoffs":
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Abitco.in%2Fforum+spinoff
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The intrinsic value of a NEO share

The question of what the intrinsic value of a NEO share has come up in the Reddit on many occasions usually in the context of someone talking about GAS having more intrinsic value than NEO because GAS has to be literally spent for smart contracts to execute on the system -- with the whole larger debate revolving around what the GAS to NEO ratio will be in the future. The question of the intrinsic value of NEO is actually interesting to me because while I had been trading stocks for some time I had never thought about the fundamental basis of a stock share (just as I never thought about the fundamental basis of monetary systems before I started learning about Bitcoin). This post is as much for me to digest things as it is for you all.
 
What is the intrinsic value of a share?
 
A stock share is part ownership of an entity. The intrinsic monetary reason why someone would want to have part ownership of anything is to get a share of the profits that the entity makes. You might also want to have part ownership of something for non-financial reasons such as believing in the entity’s mission, etc but we’ll focus on the economic part.
 
For centralized entities: the entity takes in money from customers, pays its expenses and is left with profit. This profit is then distributed to shareholders in the form of dividends.
 
What about companies that don’t pay dividends? Basically what those companies are doing are saying to their investors “hey we can all make way more money in the long run if we take the profit money we made now and reinvest it back into the business.” The intrinsic value of the shares still comes from the profit in real cash that can be made from the share it’s just that this profit is being deferred (sometimes for decades / possibly indefinitely).
 
What is the intrinsic value of a NEO?
 
NEO has a primary purpose & secondary role
Primary Purpose: It provides you a share of the profits that NEO makes
Secondary Role: It provides you a proportion of all GAS currency printed which ends up being 1 GAS per NEO over the 22 years that it will take to mint all the GAS.
 
These two things are entirely independent. The reason why NEO holders get a proportion of all GAS currency is as a solution to the problem of “how do we initially distribute money in a decentralized system?” The solution to that question could have been theoretically different. For example NEO Core could have decided that GAS is distributed to all bookkeeping nodes, or through the act of submitting code, or through sharing news about NEO on your Facebook page.
 
The point here is that even if NEO never entitled you to freshly minted GAS it would still have intrinsic value. However these days because profits still haven’t begun and the GAS minting can be seen in our accounts everyone is fixated on NEO’s secondary role.
 
If the purpose of a NEO was only to mint a single GAS over a period of 22 years then it’d be a depreciating asset because when you trade the NEO you’re essentially selling it “used” with a portion of the 1 GAS it’s going to mint not included (that portion which you took when you were holding that NEO). And in 22 years that NEO would be entirely useless.
 
Luckily, NEO are shares so it works out differently. Note that there are many shares with amazing returns on the stock market and 0% of them have ever entitled you to newly printed fiat from central banks. The GAS minting is just an added bonus.
 
What will be the traded price of a NEO?
 
Suppose that in the year 2020, one billion dollars will be spent on service charges on the NEO platform. With 100 million NEO shares this means that each NEO share will have made 10 dollars in profit that specific year.
 
As a simplified example let’s assume that traders believe that NEO isn’t going to go up and down anymore but instead will remain completely static for the next 5 years and then die an abrupt death (and let’s ignore the GAS minting completely for this as well). Those traders will have to decide how much they are willing to pay for something that gives them 10 dollars a year consistently for 5 years. If you knew for a fact you could make a total of 50 bucks over those 5 years you could reasonably buy NEO for any number below 50 today and it’d be a profitable investment.
 
OK, but now let’s imagine a world where NEO doesn’t just make a static profit year over year. Let’s say that there were more and more smart contracts every single year and NEO just kept distributing more and more profits to NEO holders. Then as a trader you have to start betting on how much service fee money will be made in the future and how much more it is than the amount that is made now.
 
This brings us to Price to Earnings ratio (P/E). The E is the earnings per share that has already happened. In NEO’s case the earnings would be the amount we make off of service fees in a specific year. But someone buying a NEO share from you tomorrow can’t ever get that money. YOU got that money. They can only get whatever the earnings will be in the future and that’s what they are betting on. This betting leads to the Price (P).
 
Here are some price to earnings ratios (P/E) for some tech stocks:
 
Netflix (NFLX): 227.47 Facebook (FB): 37.47 Google (GOOG): 33.37 Microsoft (MSFT): 27.86
 
This means that for Netflix people are paying 227 times more for the stock as the entitled earnings for that share are today.
 
So as you can see it varies a lot and depends in large part on how much of its future potential the company investors think has already been scratched. For NEO we are currently not making any service fees yet so everything is speculative but even when we get going it’d be completely reasonable to see astronomical P/E ratios which wouldn’t indicate “overvalued” because the potential is barely scratched in the present and the value lies entirely in the future. On stock exchanges, companies only begin offering shares (IPO) once they are decently mature but in crypto we get to come in at the organization’s infancy so having unheard of P/E ratios will make perfect sense in the first few years of any crypto share.
 
If NEO becomes a mature 500 Billion market cap behemoth like Facebook (note that Bitcoin is only at 65 billion and the entire crypto market is at just 135.6 billion market cap today) then maybe we’d start settling into more reasonable 30x price to earnings ratios-- which by the way while normal for tech stocks are still really high for stocks in general.
 
To say the least I wouldn’t bet on any specific ratio between the value of NEO and GAS as GAS has the economics of a currency (How much usefulness can I get out of this for goods now?) vs the economics of a share (How much money can be made from this year over year?) which while having some overlap (How scarce will this asset be?) are just completely different things. That’s not even introducing that each NEO comes with a built in portion of a GAS and now my head hurts.
 
And likewise it's not insane to believe that a NEO can have a way higher share price than a Bitcoin has monetary value without NEO being more "mainstream" than a Bitcoin since shares by definition are more future focused than currencies. Not saying it will happen but crypto economics wouldn't collapse if it did and it wouldn't indicate that GAS would now become the number one cryptocurrency.
 
Hope you enjoyed.
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What's more profitable? Mining gear vs inital BTC investment. A multivariable optimization problem

I originally posted this in /gpumining but I figured people here might get something out of it too since it relates very much to NiceHash
I'm sharing my own calculations here. I'm not asking anyone to answer the question for me, unless they feel like doing so. Scroll down for results/plots if tl;dr
I'm currently in a spot where I have a halfway decent desktop PC and I want to start mining cryptos, both in order to make extra money and for the fun of it. Although I think I would enjoy mining cryptocurrencies and the challenges associated with it, I also need to ask myself whether it is worth to invest the money in the extra gear, or am I better off just investing that money into bitcoin instead? Especially considering that mining is not as profitable as it used to be. I intend to get a feel for the problem by doing some calculations on my own instead of relying on the typical online ROI investment calculator as they don't really take the appreciating value of BTC into account. I'm specifically looking at these variables
1) Profits/day/GPU
2) How many GPU's to buy to maximize profits (this is not necessarily obvious as you'll see)
whereas the electricity and gear costs are assumed to be constant.
The specifics of my particular scenario are (that I think is pretty common for people with a gaming PC and haven't started hardcore mining yet):
Compared to investing those expenses straight in to bitcoin, are the two additional GPU's to my existing rig worth it? Is it worth investing in an additional dedicated mining rig and add as many GPU's as I see fit as well? For what ranges of profitability per GPU per day does it make sense to invest in additional mining gear?
For these calculations I make the following (somewhat arbitrary but hopefully reasonable) assumptions:
Results
3D plot
Since the profits depend on both the number of GPU's and the profit/day figures I decided to plot it as a 3D-surface: Results, 3D plot
The plot on the left is the profit made from investing in mining gear instead of an equivalent investment in bitcoin. The plot on the right is the total profit when only considering fiat money that doesn't change in value, which is what you'd typically consider.
2D plot
Results, 2D plot
This is the same results as the left plot in the above 3D plot but compressed into to the perhaps more familiar 2D graph environment.
What to make of this?
First of all it is trivial to conclude that I will make a return of my investment in fiat, no matter the configuration or the profit/day range. Even a pretty conservative $0.8/day pays off pretty decently. However this doesn't say anything about whether it's better than an initial bitcoin investment.
When considering the appreciating value of bitcoin, it gets a little more interesting. I can safely say that at the $/day profits that we get for a 1060 these days (around $0.9-$1.3) it would be a bad investment to buy an additional rig. However, if the profits were to go up to the +$2 range again I'd could start making bank by getting as many mining rigs as I possibly can. At +$1.4/day I might consider getting an additional two GPU's for my existing PC as can be seen in the 2D plot.
Looking at the above plots, at these currently low profit rates that we see today I'm better off letting my current 1060 mine away and invest the rest of the money in bitcoin.
Hopefully some of you might find this useful or enjoyable lol
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What's more profitable? Mining gear vs inital BTC investment. A multivariable optimization problem

I'm sharing my own calculations here. I'm not asking anyone to answer the question for me, unless they feel like doing so. Scroll down for results/plots if tl;dr
I'm currently in a spot where I have a halfway decent desktop PC and I want to start mining cryptos, both in order to make extra money and for the fun of it. Although I think I would enjoy mining cryptocurrencies and the challenges associated with it, I also need to ask myself whether it is worth to invest the money in the extra gear, or am I better off just investing that money into bitcoin instead? Especially considering that mining is not as profitable as it used to be. I intend to get a feel for the problem by doing some calculations on my own instead of relying on the typical online ROI investment calculator as they don't really take the appreciating value of BTC into account. I'm specifically looking at these variables
1) Profits/day/GPU
2) How many GPU's to buy to maximize profits (this is not necessarily obvious as you'll see)
whereas the electricity and gear costs are assumed to be constant.
The specifics of my particular scenario are (that I think is pretty common for people with a gaming PC and haven't started hardcore mining yet):
Compared to investing those expenses straight in to bitcoin, are the two additional GPU's to my existing rig worth it? Is it worth investing in an additional dedicated mining rig and add as many GPU's as I see fit as well? For what ranges of profitability per GPU per day does it make sense to invest in additional mining gear?
For these calculations I make the following (somewhat arbitrary but hopefully reasonable) assumptions:
Results
3D plot
Since the profits depend on both the number of GPU's and the profit/day figures I decided to plot it as a 3D-surface: Results, 3D plot
The plot on the left is the profit made from investing in mining gear instead of an equivalent investment in bitcoin. The plot on the right is the total profit when only considering fiat money that doesn't change in value, which is what you'd typically consider.
2D plot
Results, 2D plot
This is the same results as the left plot in the above 3D plot but compressed into to the perhaps more familiar 2D graph environment.
What to make of this?
First of all it is trivial to conclude that I will make a return of my investment in fiat, no matter the configuration or the profit/day range. Even a pretty conservative $0.8/day pays off pretty decently. However this doesn't say anything about whether it's better than an initial bitcoin investment.
When considering the appreciating value of bitcoin, it gets a little more interesting. I can safely say that at the $/day profits that we get for a 1060 these days (around $0.9-$1.3) it would be a bad investment to buy an additional rig. However, if the profits were to go up to the +$2 range again I'd could start making bank by getting as many mining rigs as I possibly can. At +$1.4/day I might consider getting an additional two GPU's for my existing PC as can be seen in the 2D plot.
Looking at the above plots, at these currently low profit rates that we see today I'm better off letting my current 1060 mine away and invest the rest of the money in bitcoin.
Hopefully some of you might find this useful or enjoyable lol
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I've put together a post that has, what I think, is all the possible (english) information on SmartContainers' ICO out there

Okay, so this is going to be really long in terms of posts here. I actually have to cut out some info to make it under 40000 characters for reddit...
Typically in the market there are Currency and Utility coins. Profit-Share Tokens are relatively new, and while this ICO has 2 tokens, the profit share token is definitely the main attraction, as it's tied to a very, very promising company. This company is SmartContainers Group, and their tokens are SMARC (profit-share token) and LOGI (more on LOGI later).
“Smart Containers Group, formerly REP AG (Swiss registry of commerce, UID: CHE- 141.664.882), is a Swiss based, high tech company that provides the safest temperature controlled containers to transport sensitive pharma goods and food around the world. Our purpose is to secure sensitive goods and to make sure no compromised product is ever delivered to anyone.” - whitepaper

Product

SmartContainers Group is a holding company for SkyCell.
SkyCell is the company Smart Containers Group uses to rent/sell their containers to clients around the world.
Our containers transport some of the most expensive and temperature-sensitive goods in the pharmaceutical industry. These goods need a particularly careful and accurate protection. Through our highly secure and efficient container design, we assure the best possible protection against temperature excursions. In combination with a cutting-edge technology, it enables us to provide containers with easy handling, maximum loading capacity and highest performance on the market.
More than 50 man-years of research and development poured into the creation of an unprecedented, highly efficient insulation. This cutting-edge technology reflects a maximum of radiation while minimizing heat conducting. It is the most patent protected insulation technology on the market.
The ingenious SkyCell R&D team invented a completely new, cooling technology, that stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a steady temperature. Consequently, SkyCell containers are automatically recharged in a cooling chamber without any manual interference. Nothing can be mixed up since all parts are integrated and fixed.
The ingenious SkyCell R&D team invented a completely new, cooling technology, that stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a steady temperature.
 
“oh, our product needs better cooling? Okay, let’s just invent a better cooling technology, no biggie”. Who heads that team, Rick Sanchez?
I asked about this tech during their AMA, here's what they said:
Cooling technology: Yes, our containers are state of the art. Nico has developed a cooling material that freezes at 5.5°C. So if you put it in a cooling chamber that has a lower temperature, it automatically freezes and if the temperature is higher it melts. Basically, the system works like a huge ice cube that is empty in the middle. The centre of the ice cube has a steady temperature of 0° until at least 1 side of the ice cube has melted. It's the same principle for SkyCell containers, but at 5.5°C
 
The patented-in house developed cooling technology stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a consistent temperature. After use, they are ‘recharged’ in a cooling chamber without any need for manual intervention, increasing productivity of the business and reducing cost.
I’ve forgotten to mention something so far about their product [the containers]. They’re literally (not figuratively, literally) the most advanced container ON EARTH.
 
From their ICO FAQ: Where do you position yourself compared to Envirotainer? Envirotainer is the number one container company with the largest container fleet today. We are currently fourth globally, but we reached this position in less than 5 years operating in this space. SkyCell containers have been tested and shown to be technologically superior to Envirotainer containers (5x more runtime, up to 35% lighter) which translates into safer pharma distribution and cost savings as well as a reduced CO2 footprint.
 
We are currently fourth globally, but we reached this position in less than 5 years operating in this space.
 
Another thing that’s pretty impressive, 4th largest company in their entire field… after just 5 years… but back to the main point of that statement: “SkyCell containers have been tested and shown to be technologically superior to Envirotainer containers (5x more runtime, up to 35% lighter) which translates into safer pharma distribution and cost savings as well as a reduced CO2 footprint.”.
 
Watching a video from a blockchain conference in Switzerland, I got a fair bit of info from the CEO, Richard. I’ll be quoting him in that video a few times in this post, and here’s the first: “In my industry, we talk about how many shipments go wrong - and the average is 8.5%. So for 8.5% of pharma shipments for example, the [proper] temperature is not maintained. In our case [with Smart Containers], it’s less than 0.1%. That’s 75 times better. Richard also speaks in this video about how they will be able to eliminate the amount of shipments happening every year, due to the decentralized nature of this whole system, there will be less need to send packages to places far from their end destination, to make the delivery easier on the shipping side. We’ve all had packages come from across the ocean, only for it to fly 1500 Km past us to be shipped back our way next week…
 

LogiChain

”There are 200 documents are required, or exchanged, to make one shipment happen… we estimate we can bring this down to 8” Richard Ettl, CEO
Logistics is an old industry. it started out on paper, moved through the fax, early ages of the information era, early email, current email, and is now ready to move onto the blockchain.
LOGI CHAIN GOALS
 
“By using blockchain technology, we can decentralize logistics and create autonomous containers – container 4.0. This container will know who’s renting it, when the contract ends and when to invoice the customer. That’s why we’ve created the LOGI CHAIN platform. It allows us to create a seamless, fully integrated, digital logistics process that everyone can use for free.” - Richard Ettl, CEO
“Well-established processes often generate inefficiencies that we simply accept. And of course everyone knows change is painful. But at Smart Containers, we see things differently. Change is the only way to improve. We think that every process should not only be optimized but redefined and redesigned. Logistics today is highly centralized. It’s incredibly inefficient. So many wasted kilometers to huge warehouses.” Nico Ros, CTO
 
There will be more than one blockchain at play with this system as well. The info that people deserve to know will be available on a public blockchain like Ethereum, the weight, material safety data sheets, the storage conditions (which as said up above, 8.5% of pharma shipments have issues with, and Smart Containers brings that down to below 0.1%), as well as at the same time, the info that shouldn’t be public to everyone (Bills, invoices, etc) would be stored on a blockchain like Fabric or HyperLedger. LOGI will be the fuel for the LOGI Chain.
CMO Carla elaborating on LogiChain:
The LOGI project finds good echoes with logistics players but even more with blockchain infrastructures like NEM, EOS and NEO.
Emirates for once was enthusiastic about the project and definitely wants to join the foundation. As you know, the government of Dubai is focussing on applying blockchain asap to multiple industries.
We are also in exchange with ShipChain, who are running a similar project in the US. Our goal is to collaborate with a maximum of projects around the world.
The LOGI Chain Foundation will be set up in July, right at the end of the ICO. Dr. Fabian Schär, our valued Advisor, will be in charge of defining how the LOGI Chain Foundation will develop in the next 2-3 years. We think that we will be able to put out a PoC based on SkyCell until the end of the year.
We have not yet decided on which blockchain platform to build the LOGI CHAIN. We are highly delighted with NEM since they are already operative and offer a private and public blockchain on the same protocol.
 
One Chain to Connect them all - LOGI CHAIN
One platform to get all players up to speed, to handle all documents and permissions in one place. No more floods of emails. No more polluting the environment with senseless printing of documents. No more compatibility problems and clashes of individualized systems.
To show you how vast the amount of documents (and by this emails circulated) find a list of common documents needed for one air freight shipment below:
Documents of origin, Material safety sheet, Airway bill, Bill of lading, Transport order, Customs declaration documents & bills, Invoices, Product data sheet, Storage conditions, Transport conditions, Multiple service provider billings, Licenses, etc.
This adds up to the gigantic number of about 200 manually processed emails per shipment.
A combination of public and permission based chains will allow for all players in the ecosystem to store documents needed in the logistics processes. We are looking at multiple platforms to build the LOGI CHAIN on top including NEM, Fabric, Corda, EOS and NEO.
 

Team

I’ll be using bits and pieces taken from their white paper and LinkedIn pages.
The Smart Containers team includes over 80 people, and is growing every year.
Richard Ettl - Co-Founder, CEO - LinkedIn
Richard wanted to know how things worked since he was a child. He has a passion for engineering and management. Growing up in Vienna, Austria and studying in Stanford USA and the University of Fribourg, Switzerland, he started his career at Bobst Group, a leading producer of packaging machines worldwide. In 2009, he decided to launch his own business together with his university friend Nico. After wide reaching scientific research and various proof of concepts, they founded today’s Smart Containers Group as well as SkyCell in 2012. Since then he has lead the companies to commercial success, seamlessly finding the right partners and investors at crucial points, as well as convincing more and more clients of the unrivaled benefits of the SkyCell offer
 
Nico Ros - Co-Founder, CTO - LinkedIn
Nico Ros, Chief Technology Officer & Co-Founder Nico is the mastermind behind Smart Containers Group and its technology. Growing up in Basel, Switzerland, he discovered his passion for mathematics very early on and therefore came to study mathematics, physics and engineering. Being a natural talent, he had already won prestigious architectural prizes during his studies and quickly became managing partner at ZPF an engineering company in Basel. He has constructed the most expensive buildings in Switzerland in collaboration with the famous architects Herzog & DeMeuron. Nico’s key strength lies not only in his state of the art engineering know how but also in his efficient management of teams, leading highly complex, multimillion projects to success. However, engineering alone did not suffice Nico. Having a passion for business and management, he decided to complete additional studies at the University of Fribourg, meeting Richard along the way. Everyone who meets Nico rapidly becomes aware of his sharp mind and his passion to invent new technologies. It is therefore not surprising, that both him and Richard ended up together where they are today.
 
Andreas Ernst - CFO - LinkedIn
Andreas is the true logistic finance expert in the company. He spent all his career in various finance roles of logistic service providers: from Swissair (today Swiss International Airlines), to Swissport (biggest ground service provider for airlines) where he filled the role as regional CFO for the Middle East and Africa. His last role before joining Smart Containers Group was CFO of Unitpool (now called Unilode), which is the largest independent air-freight container pooling company in the world.
 
Thomas Taroni - Head of IT - LinkedIn
Thomas is an IT-architecture mastermind. His first claim to fame is the creation of the largest media database, shared by all media houses in Switzerland: more than two million articles are uploaded every year, then queried and shared seamlessly and efficiently among multiple news companies. He founded his own IT company to design IT architectures focusing on process automation (eliminating paper and endless emails), and as a result won other clients (large banks, pharma companies and even publicly tendered government contracts). SkyCell became his client, when they needed a bespoke asset management system to track and trace their containers around the world. He joined SkyCell four years ago and since his tenure, has become the head of IT for all companies of Smart Containers Group.
 
Carla Bünger - CMO & Business Development Manager - LinkedIn
Carla is a marketing and sales expert. Building strong brands on solid foundations and convincing clients to buy its underlying products gives her huge satisfaction. She collected her experience through managing various international consumer brands, for companies such as Nestlé, Lindt and Coty. However, she discovered her passion for Blockchain technology roughly 18 months ago and has since been actively participating in the com - munity of Crypto Valley in Switzerland. The sheer endless application possibilities make her strive for more and she is drawing energy and enthusiasm from developing new business schemes around the subject. Her “can do” attitude helped to put together the high level advisory team around our ICO.
 

Advisors

Strategic advisor: Oliver Bussmann, is CEO and Founder of Bussmann Advisory, former CIO of UBS and SAP as well as the President of the Crypto Valley Association. “our main advisor” - Richard
Strategic advisor: Marc Bettinger, Altcoin and Blockchain specialist and investor, Co-Host Altcoin Meetup Switzerland (Bitcoin Association Switzerland)
Strategic Advisor: Fabian Schär is Managing Director of the Center for Innovative Finance at the University of Basel. His research focus is on the potential and applications of blockchain. In addition, he works as a lecturer in blockchain technology at the University of Basel, the University of Applied Sciences in Business Administration Zurich (HWZ) and the University of Applied Sciences Northwestern Switzerland (FHNW).
 
Technology Partner: Lykke Corp. our highly trustworthy expert in smart contract programming and ICO execution. (Lykke also audited their ICO smartcontract)
Legal Advisor: Gabriela Hauser-Spuehler was part of the team of MME, the well-known law firm in the crypto space.
Communication Advisor: David Wachsman and Emma Walker from Wachsman PR, the crypto community’s most experienced PR agency.
Richard also states they hired a lawyer that worked on the Ethereum ICO, but I don’t know if it’s Gabriela up there or another person.

Tokens

Min. investment = $500 USD for ICO, $5000 for presale (largest portion of supply), $250k for private sale.
There are two tokens as mentioned before: SMARC and LOGI. I’m more into SMARC because it’s safe (safe once the payouts start of course, as soon as a coin has a clear value like this, BTC moving up or down doesn’t matter to you), as well as obviously very attractive if you think of the long term profits.
 
Every year, the company’s annual shareholder meeting takes place, during which the shareholders will agree (or negotiate) on a proposal by the Smart Containers’ board about how much of the company profits is to be paid to the shareholders that year. 20% of that amount is taken, converted to ETH, and fairly distributed to the token holders.
Since the cofounders and all token holders will have aligned interests and incentives, we are all in a positive-sum-game. We do not want to use the ICO as a speculative springboard, but as way of funding innovation and change the world. Both Richard and Nico are committed for the long-term and not interested in a quick exit. Our aim is to use the collected funds to continue pushing the following business areas:
• Continue scaling of SkyCell in both B2B and B2C
• Establish FoodGuardians - the main goal if the ICO is to build and scale FoodGuardians
• Establish the of LOGI CHAIN Foundation
• Regularly evaluate organic scaling vs. M&A
• Evaluate IPO at relevant time
We are raising funds through an ICO to grow our container businesses in pharma and food. We push SkyCell from no. 4 to the no. 1 provider in the next 2-3 years.
 
The CEO in this video explains pretty easily why one would want to put money into this ICO over others:
“Why invest? [referring to SMARC] Simple question. It’s an up and coming company with revenue, multiple millions a year, most ICO’s have white papers…[we have much more than that].”
That's pretty clear. You can invest in random Xcoin ICO where they have some half-baked token that might see some level of adoption if it isn't just a cash grab, or you could invest in an actual multimillion-dollar company and be a part of it as it scales into what could potentially be a multibillion dollar entity.
 

The following is taken from the ICO, Legal, and Company FAQ

How will the profit share payouts work? 20% of dividends will be paid in ETH to all holders of SMARC tokens that are in circulation at the time of the payout. A given business year ends on 31st December each year with a general assembly held annually around mid-February. Therefore, dividend payout is expected around mid-March each year. In the event of a total sale of Smart Containers or the exit of one of its lines of business, the holders of SMARC tokens will receive a 20% participation of proceeds
 
Is there a future profit statement? No listed company can make an estimation or a commitment to a future return. To do so would neither be professional nor ethical. For Smart Containers, as with any company, profits may often depend upon a number of external factors, such as the general trust in blockchain technology. The question to be assessed is how fast a new disruptive technology can replace an old system. We believe that Smart Containers Group is well-positioned to facilitate this disruption, with a strong plan going forward and experienced team working to successfully implement blockchain technology in the supply chain. 5 years of industry experience, the 4th largest container fleet and a motivated team; that’s more than any idea whitepaper ICO.
 
What specific rights come with my investment? The SMARC token is a profit share token. When the company generates profits and the company’s general assembly approves a dividend payout, 20% of the defined funds attributed to dividends will be distributed proportionally to holders of SMARC tokens in circulation. In contrast, the LOGI token is a utility token that can be used to pay for transactions on the LOGI CHAIN, an open-source logistics platform for all stakeholders in the logistics field with the goal to create a seamless, fully integrated, digital logistics process.
 
Smart Containers will pay out a dividend to SMARC token holders. This would imply that the SMARC token is a security token. Are you compliant with financial regulation? Smart Containers tokens is not classified as a security in Switzerland under current law. This may be different in other jurisdictions such as the USA. Hence the SMARC token is not eligible for sale in certain jurisdictions. Our benchmark is the Modum token sale from June 2017. We have elected to use the same legal structure as it was accepted by regulators in Switzerland and well received by the ICO community and exchanges.
 
What is the vesting schedule for team and advisors tokens? Everyone will receive SMARC and LOGI tokens at the same time. Minting will occur at the end of the token sale. Advisors will have lock up periods depending on how many tokens they receive. Team members have a lock up period of 12 months.
 
Are SkyCell containers an approved ULD according to IATA regulations? SkyCell containers are exempt from the ULD rules by IATA. This has the huge advantage that, compared to our competitors, the SkyCell container can not only fly but can also leave the airport. Skycell containers are therefore a door-to-door solution. Our competitors’ containers, on the other hand, have to be unloaded at the airport and packed into a new transport unit in order to continue their journey from the airport to the final destination, increasing the risk of temperature excursion, and loss.
 
Are there financial statements? If so, are they audited, and by whom? Yes, there are financial statements for all our companies. They are audited by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). To preserve our competitive advantage in the market, we have decided not to publish our financial figures online at this moment in time.
 
Are Modum and Smart Containers competitors? Modum and Smart Containers are not competitors, more future partners. Modum rents/sells sensors to track and trace shipments on temperature, whereas Smart Containers rents/sells the containers, in which products including sensors are put inside. Of course our containers have sensors that record data for quality control, but Smart Containers does not sell these data sets. In the end Modum and Smart Containers will address to the same clients - Smart Containers provides the container and Modum will put a sensor in it.
 
How many airlines fly SkyCell containers? In addition to our major partners, Emirates and CargoLux, more than 30 airlines fly SkyCell containers.
 
What destinations does SkyCell serve? SkyCell is a global company. We are shipping containers around the world and reach each pharma client within 24-48 hours. This is accomplished through our airline partners, that can fly ready-to-use containers to more than 150 airports.
 

Profit Sharing Mechanism

During the annual shareholder meeting, the shareholders in the form of the general assembly (Annual General Assembly) decide on a proposal by Smart Containers’ board regarding the usage of profit as recognized in the annual financial statements of Smart Containers in the form of distribution of dividends. Distribution of a dividend on shares shall be announced in the “Tokenholder Information” section of the Smart Containers website; such announcement shall include the date and time of the dividend payment and the dividend amount per ordinary share in USD as well as the ETH/USD exchange rate which shall become applicable, as derived from publicly available and reliable quotes. Within 20 business days of the date of the resolution passed by the Annual General Assembly regarding dividend payments to the shareholders of Smart Containers, Smart Containers will make available a Profit Share Amount to each authenticated Tokenholder equal to 20% (twenty percent) of all dividends agreed to being distributed per share to the shareholders, divided by the total number of issued SMARC Tokens (To further explain for clarity, all Tokenholders combined will receive an amount equal to 20% of the amount received by all shareholders combined.). SMARC Tokenholders shall receive these payments in ETH, at an average exchange rate specified by Smart Containers.
 

FoodGuardians

“Imagine your tomatoes tasting 1 day ‘fresher”.
One of the main reasons for the SMARC/LOGI ICO is to raise the funds to fuel the growth of FoodGuardians alongside SkyCell.
According to their CEO, SkyCell is constantly asked “can your containers be used for food?”, but there are several issues with shipping food and medicine together. This is where FoodGuardians comes in.
FoodGuardians offers the next generation of reusable containers and boxes to transport regionally and globally temperature sensitive food products.The combination of patented cooling technology, cutting edge insulation and Blockchain infrastructure allows to redefine the product’s freshness and traceability.
Our vision is to allow your local butcher to order your favorite steak directly from the producing farm and sending it straight to your grill party. (All without the buyer even leaving his home, let alone going to store)
 
Advantages of using FoodGuardians
 
Each FoodGuardians container can be tracked around the world on:
 
The phrase “Imagine your tomatoes tasting 1 day ‘fresher” has been used by the CEO a couple times, and is more or less the FoodGuardian slogan. This is referring to the fact that not only can FoodGuardian and SkyCell containers save cost, CO2, and man/brainpower, but they can also make shipments faster when combined with the blockchain (LOGI Chain) and Smart Contracts. when everything is accounted for at every second with almost as little room for human error as possible, things are far more efficient.
We are launching our first food application – we will announce a collaboration before June for a solution that can be used to ship overnight online fresh food to people homes and can be used to supply hospitals and restaurants as well.
FoodGuardians and SkyCell are two of the many possible use-cases for SmartContainers' tech:
"Other use cases. Yes indeed. We are just getting started!! However, it makes sense to focus on scaling SkyCell and FoodGuardians before starting something new. In the end we are a tech company. We have defined 7 use cases around the insulation technology. We have started with the most relevant 2 but will certainly continue."
 

SkyCellONE

SkyCell is looking to bring a business-to-consumer solution to market, that was developed and tested with one of the top 20 pharma companies in the world. The direct to patient market is estimated to increase to a 2.5 billion USD market in the future, with no other competition yet aside from styrofoam containers that are disposed of after one use. The SkyCell ONE can also be co-branded by a partner, such as a pharmacy chain that could rent it out for home delivery, business trips or even holidays.
The product is temperature stable for up to 72 hours, can be recharged passively in a fridge, or temp-controlled warehouse or truck. Currently it’s best in class for size and weight, but that’s probably down to there being no competition! Trials have been undergoing since June 2017 with an orphan drug product, and go live is expected in Q2 2018. - Cryptowithoutborders article
The SkyCell ONE container is showcased HERE
THIS could be a massive money maker. There is currently no direct pharma-2-consumer shipping service, because it really wasn’t profitable, or manageable on a central database. They can even sell this product to other supply chain entities to use. The direct to patient market is estimated to increase to a 2.5 billion USD market in the future, with no other competition yet, aside from styrofoam containers that get disposed of after a single
Q&A: Smart Containers’ Richard Ettl on Blockchain, Pharma, and how His Company’s Hardware and Software is Disrupting the Logistics Industry - Nexchange.com
We are launching also additional sizes – so we are launching a very small box to ship pharma directly to patients' homes. Amazon just recently announced that they will postpone entering the pharma distribution space, as they do not have the technology to ship to patients homes in a temperature controlled manner. We are bringing this to market later this year. This will increase the convenience of patients and reduce the costs in the healthcare system.
 

Organs

I just finished listening to this podcast (20 minutes long, but you can skip the intro stuff to make it shorter of course). I’m now twice as excited as I was before. I’m going to type out a large chunk of the podcast. I’ll be paraphrasing slightly, so I don’t have to type every “uhh” or anything, plus he sometimes starts one sentence before finishing another.
“We have some prototypes, that we built, for example, for the Children’s Hospital here in Zurich, where we’ve designed a container that can transport living skin.” [Interviewer; “Wow.”] “So for young children that suffer skin diseases that could be almost fatal, like cancer, they grow this… patch of skin, and then that skin needs to be transported, and kept at body temperature so… roughly 37 degrees Celsius. There we designed them a box that did this for 10 days, autonomously.” [“That’s amazing…”] “Yeah, we did this because we wanted to learn how to interact and work with hospitals, this is a highly specialized application, and the next step could be organ logistics, because most of the organs today are transported on ice, because that’s the standard set in the 70’s, but studies have shown that if your transport certain tissue at room temperature, it is significantly better for the tissue than if you transport it on ice.”
I can guarantee you every major hospital on earth is going to want their hands on this container that can allow them to transport both living skin, and potentially organs in the future. The fact that in this day and age we’re still throwing people’s kidneys/lungs/etc in a bucket of ice is a little weird.
From the recent AMA:
Our Container BT5: The name stands for Body Temperature 5 L content. It transports skin grafts that was cultured for children with burn accidends. The temperature range is 37°c. Nico (our CTO) was so taken by this project, that he developped this container only for this purpose for a company calles Cutiss (a start-up from Zurich). We currently only have around 10 of these containers in use. It is not produced in on a large scale. We could market it, but have bigger opportunities to tackle first with the SkyCell one. You can only focus on 1-2 projects at a time. The BT5 is a beautiful project, but will need manpower to scale production and then manpower to market it.
 

Competition

Envirotainer, The leading company in this field, has only a matter of time before they’re overtaken. SmartContainer Group’s containers are proven to be superior (5x as efficient, 35% lighter, self-charging, etc, etc, read up above for the whole deal). According to the Googles, Envirotainer’s best year (2015) saw a profit of $50,000,000. It’s logical to assume that Smartcontainers will surpass them as the top dog, and at the same time be pulling in much more profit over time by serving both pharma, and the food industry (Envirotainer only does pharma). By accepting cryptocurrency payments, saving them a fair bit in fees from cross border payments, they’ll also net a small % more in profits annually.
I asked about the state of their competition. Turns out, Envirotainer (or more specifically the private equity firm that owns them) offered SmartContainers a buy out of $125m. This was one of countless offers they've turned down, because they believe they can scale the company to much further value. The firm selling Envirotainer has been trying to find a buying for the past 3 years, at $1b. No one will buy them, because anyone who knows their shit in that industry knows SmartContainers will overtake them in no time.
From April's AMA:
Our 2 biggest competitors are for sale. Envirotainer (biggest player) is owned by a Private Equity company that wants to sell it for 1 b USD. it already tries to sell for 3 years. SkyCell is considered a threat to the valuation of Envirotainer, since we are winning one client after the other from them. While Envirotainer is the largest player with a huge sales force and well established client contacts, they are still operating on an "old" technology. SkyCell is technology leader, has lighter containers, reduces CO2 emissions and is considered to be the future.
2 days ago, a private equity company requested a meeting to see the valuation of SkyCell and evaluate to buy. We have already been approached several times. We are treated as the bride in the market. However, Richard and Nico think we can scale the business much more before we should consider to sell. We are just getting started.
We have won 3 large accounts in Q1. Today we have 1200 containers. By the end of the year, it will be 2000. Our business plan estimates that SkyCell will be profitable in 2019. Therefore you can expect first dividends in Q1 2020.
 

Official Projections

Another redditor asked for "optimistic expectations for potential profits" during their ama, here was their answer:
How does a profit of 21 m USD on Smart Containers total in 2020 sound? This figure will then quadruple in 2021 to 76 m USD.
As you can see, this would mean that by 2021 tokenholders would not even have broken even yet. I myself am fine with this, i'm expecting to hold SMARC until the end (be it I die or the company sells, in which case i'll enjoy that fat exit payout). The potential gains from 2020-2030 are far more worth it to me than trying to make it in one year with heavy risk.
So why invest in this over a random shitcoin that might moon? If you're here to turn $1000 into $1m and get out by the end of the year, good luck, don't invest in smarc. If you're realistic and are aware that crypto will only be so volatile for so long, go ahead and think about putting a bit of your portfolio in something that will have actual value, lasting long after the shitcoins die. Crypto market could crash at any time, but that doesn't mean that SmartContainers as a company goes anywhere, nor their profits. I don't think I need to explain any further.

So…

A 5 year old company, with over 100,000 collective hours of R&D put into their products, with currently just under 100 innovative patents, that is already the 4th largest of it’s kind in the world, with the top product in their field on earth, is doing an ICO that is fully backed by the Swiss government, with a token that is due 20% of all future shareholder payouts, as well as 20% of any potential exit profits (the company being purchased). They’re already this big, and you can benefit from both their success, and their expansion into new markets.
There’s nothing stopping SmartContainers Group/SkyCell/FoodGuardians from working with VeChain in the future either. Or Walton, or Wabi, Devery, OriginTrail, Ambrosus, all of em.
 

Links4U:

SmartContainers
https://smartcontainers.ch/
https://foodguardians.ch
https://skycell.ch/
Whitepaper
FAQ
Terms of Token Sale
CryptoWithBorders Article
Medium post reviewing SmartContainers
Interview with Richard Ettl, Co-Founder & CEO of Smart Containers on SMARC Token Sale | TechBullion
Interview with Richard Ettl - CryptoRich - Richard talks about some of their patents in this video, I think about 20 minutes in. Whole thing was worth watching imo
Podcast on how Blockchain + Smart Contracts will change how we ship things globally - 20 minutes, I REALLY recommend you listen through it, but do skip the intro if you want.
CEO Richard Ettl speaking at Crypto Finance Conference in St.Moritz - about 14 minutes, also highly recommend you watch this as well.
SkyCell Video
Strategic Advisor Oliver Bussman (President of the Crypto Valley Association, Former CIO of UBS and SAP), on SmartContainers
Marc Bettinger on why he took an advisory role with SmartContainers - (many may know him as "altcoindad")
Michael Guzik - Former 'Head of Blockchain' at PWC, current Head of ICO advisory at Lykke - why he's involved with the Smarc/Logi ICO
AMA with Carla Bünger - CMO & Business Development Manager of SmartContainers
AMA with Thomas Taroni - Head of IT of Smart Containers
Q&A w/ Richard Ettl - Nexchange
 
Should you invest in this? I sure am, and am very glad to even be offered the opportunity, but it’s up to you. Read through this post if you haven't yet, then click these links and decide for yourself. Don't go all in of course, since this is a profit share token, there is much less risk, therefore less short term reward. The long term reward is what we're looking at here, don't buy into the ICO and then complain that you aren't getting 1000% ROI payouts by year one.
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Only 2 days left to whitelist for SMARC ICO, an ICO for a profit-share token being held by an already multi-million dollar company.

- Credit to Haramburglar for this post, and for giving me the notepad file he wrote it in so I could share it where I wished, without even asking for credit
Okay, so this is going to be really long in terms of posts here. I actually have to cut out some info to make it under 40000 characters for reddit...
Typically in the market there are Currency and Utility coins. Profit-Share Tokens are relatively new, and while this ICO has 2 tokens, the profit share token is definitely the main attraction, as it's tied to a very, very promising company. This company is SmartContainers Group, and their tokens are SMARC (profit-share token) and LOGI (more on LOGI later).
“Smart Containers Group, formerly REP AG (Swiss registry of commerce, UID: CHE- 141.664.882), is a Swiss based, high tech company that provides the safest temperature controlled containers to transport sensitive pharma goods and food around the world. Our purpose is to secure sensitive goods and to make sure no compromised product is ever delivered to anyone.” - whitepaper

Product

SmartContainers Group is a holding company for SkyCell.
SkyCell is the company Smart Containers Group uses to rent/sell their containers to clients around the world.
Our containers transport some of the most expensive and temperature-sensitive goods in the pharmaceutical industry. These goods need a particularly careful and accurate protection. Through our highly secure and efficient container design, we assure the best possible protection against temperature excursions. In combination with a cutting-edge technology, it enables us to provide containers with easy handling, maximum loading capacity and highest performance on the market.
More than 50 man-years of research and development poured into the creation of an unprecedented, highly efficient insulation. This cutting-edge technology reflects a maximum of radiation while minimizing heat conducting. It is the most patent protected insulation technology on the market.
The ingenious SkyCell R&D team invented a completely new, cooling technology, that stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a steady temperature. Consequently, SkyCell containers are automatically recharged in a cooling chamber without any manual interference. Nothing can be mixed up since all parts are integrated and fixed.
The ingenious SkyCell R&D team invented a completely new, cooling technology, that stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a steady temperature.
 
“oh, our product needs better cooling? Okay, let’s just invent a better cooling technology, no biggie”. Who heads that team, Rick Sanchez?
I asked about this tech during their AMA, here's what they said:
Cooling technology: Yes, our containers are state of the art. Nico has developed a cooling material that freezes at 5.5°C. So if you put it in a cooling chamber that has a lower temperature, it automatically freezes and if the temperature is higher it melts. Basically, the system works like a huge ice cube that is empty in the middle. The centre of the ice cube has a steady temperature of 0° until at least 1 side of the ice cube has melted. It's the same principle for SkyCell containers, but at 5.5°C
 
The patented-in house developed cooling technology stores five times more energy than traditional methods to keep the container at a consistent temperature. After use, they are ‘recharged’ in a cooling chamber without any need for manual intervention, increasing productivity of the business and reducing cost.
I’ve forgotten to mention something so far about their product [the containers]. They’re literally (not figuratively, literally) the most advanced container ON EARTH.
 
From their ICO FAQ: Where do you position yourself compared to Envirotainer? Envirotainer is the number one container company with the largest container fleet today. We are currently fourth globally, but we reached this position in less than 5 years operating in this space. SkyCell containers have been tested and shown to be technologically superior to Envirotainer containers (5x more runtime, up to 35% lighter) which translates into safer pharma distribution and cost savings as well as a reduced CO2 footprint.
 
We are currently fourth globally, but we reached this position in less than 5 years operating in this space.
 
Another thing that’s pretty impressive, 4th largest company in their entire field… after just 5 years… but back to the main point of that statement: “SkyCell containers have been tested and shown to be technologically superior to Envirotainer containers (5x more runtime, up to 35% lighter) which translates into safer pharma distribution and cost savings as well as a reduced CO2 footprint.”.
 
Watching a video from a blockchain conference in Switzerland, I got a fair bit of info from the CEO, Richard. I’ll be quoting him in that video a few times in this post, and here’s the first: “In my industry, we talk about how many shipments go wrong - and the average is 8.5%. So for 8.5% of pharma shipments for example, the [proper] temperature is not maintained. In our case [with Smart Containers], it’s less than 0.1%. That’s 75 times better. Richard also speaks in this video about how they will be able to eliminate the amount of shipments happening every year, due to the decentralized nature of this whole system, there will be less need to send packages to places far from their end destination, to make the delivery easier on the shipping side. We’ve all had packages come from across the ocean, only for it to fly 1500 Km past us to be shipped back our way next week…
 

LogiChain

”There are 200 documents are required, or exchanged, to make one shipment happen… we estimate we can bring this down to 8” Richard Ettl, CEO
Logistics is an old industry. it started out on paper, moved through the fax, early ages of the information era, early email, current email, and is now ready to move onto the blockchain.
LOGI CHAIN GOALS
 
“By using blockchain technology, we can decentralize logistics and create autonomous containers – container 4.0. This container will know who’s renting it, when the contract ends and when to invoice the customer. That’s why we’ve created the LOGI CHAIN platform. It allows us to create a seamless, fully integrated, digital logistics process that everyone can use for free.” - Richard Ettl, CEO
“Well-established processes often generate inefficiencies that we simply accept. And of course everyone knows change is painful. But at Smart Containers, we see things differently. Change is the only way to improve. We think that every process should not only be optimized but redefined and redesigned. Logistics today is highly centralized. It’s incredibly inefficient. So many wasted kilometers to huge warehouses.” Nico Ros, CTO
 
There will be more than one blockchain at play with this system as well. The info that people deserve to know will be available on a public blockchain like Ethereum, the weight, material safety data sheets, the storage conditions (which as said up above, 8.5% of pharma shipments have issues with, and Smart Containers brings that down to below 0.1%), as well as at the same time, the info that shouldn’t be public to everyone (Bills, invoices, etc) would be stored on a blockchain like Fabric or HyperLedger. LOGI will be the fuel for the LOGI Chain.
CMO Carla elaborating on LogiChain:
The LOGI project finds good echoes with logistics players but even more with blockchain infrastructures like NEM, EOS and NEO.
Emirates for once was enthusiastic about the project and definitely wants to join the foundation. As you know, the government of Dubai is focussing on applying blockchain asap to multiple industries.
We are also in exchange with ShipChain, who are running a similar project in the US. Our goal is to collaborate with a maximum of projects around the world.
The LOGI Chain Foundation will be set up in July, right at the end of the ICO. Dr. Fabian Schär, our valued Advisor, will be in charge of defining how the LOGI Chain Foundation will develop in the next 2-3 years. We think that we will be able to put out a PoC based on SkyCell until the end of the year.
We have not yet decided on which blockchain platform to build the LOGI CHAIN. We are highly delighted with NEM since they are already operative and offer a private and public blockchain on the same protocol.
 
One Chain to Connect them all - LOGI CHAIN
One platform to get all players up to speed, to handle all documents and permissions in one place. No more floods of emails. No more polluting the environment with senseless printing of documents. No more compatibility problems and clashes of individualized systems.
To show you how vast the amount of documents (and by this emails circulated) find a list of common documents needed for one air freight shipment below:
Documents of origin, Material safety sheet, Airway bill, Bill of lading, Transport order, Customs declaration documents & bills, Invoices, Product data sheet, Storage conditions, Transport conditions, Multiple service provider billings, Licenses, etc.
This adds up to the gigantic number of about 200 manually processed emails per shipment.
A combination of public and permission based chains will allow for all players in the ecosystem to store documents needed in the logistics processes. We are looking at multiple platforms to build the LOGI CHAIN on top including NEM, Fabric, Corda, EOS and NEO.
 

Team

I’ll be using bits and pieces taken from their white paper and LinkedIn pages.
The Smart Containers team includes over 80 people, and is growing every year.
Richard Ettl - Co-Founder, CEO - LinkedIn
Richard wanted to know how things worked since he was a child. He has a passion for engineering and management. Growing up in Vienna, Austria and studying in Stanford USA and the University of Fribourg, Switzerland, he started his career at Bobst Group, a leading producer of packaging machines worldwide. In 2009, he decided to launch his own business together with his university friend Nico. After wide reaching scientific research and various proof of concepts, they founded today’s Smart Containers Group as well as SkyCell in 2012. Since then he has lead the companies to commercial success, seamlessly finding the right partners and investors at crucial points, as well as convincing more and more clients of the unrivaled benefits of the SkyCell offer
 
Nico Ros - Co-Founder, CTO - LinkedIn
Nico Ros, Chief Technology Officer & Co-Founder Nico is the mastermind behind Smart Containers Group and its technology. Growing up in Basel, Switzerland, he discovered his passion for mathematics very early on and therefore came to study mathematics, physics and engineering. Being a natural talent, he had already won prestigious architectural prizes during his studies and quickly became managing partner at ZPF an engineering company in Basel. He has constructed the most expensive buildings in Switzerland in collaboration with the famous architects Herzog & DeMeuron. Nico’s key strength lies not only in his state of the art engineering know how but also in his efficient management of teams, leading highly complex, multimillion projects to success. However, engineering alone did not suffice Nico. Having a passion for business and management, he decided to complete additional studies at the University of Fribourg, meeting Richard along the way. Everyone who meets Nico rapidly becomes aware of his sharp mind and his passion to invent new technologies. It is therefore not surprising, that both him and Richard ended up together where they are today.
 
Andreas Ernst - CFO - LinkedIn
Andreas is the true logistic finance expert in the company. He spent all his career in various finance roles of logistic service providers: from Swissair (today Swiss International Airlines), to Swissport (biggest ground service provider for airlines) where he filled the role as regional CFO for the Middle East and Africa. His last role before joining Smart Containers Group was CFO of Unitpool (now called Unilode), which is the largest independent air-freight container pooling company in the world.
 
Thomas Taroni - Head of IT - LinkedIn
Thomas is an IT-architecture mastermind. His first claim to fame is the creation of the largest media database, shared by all media houses in Switzerland: more than two million articles are uploaded every year, then queried and shared seamlessly and efficiently among multiple news companies. He founded his own IT company to design IT architectures focusing on process automation (eliminating paper and endless emails), and as a result won other clients (large banks, pharma companies and even publicly tendered government contracts). SkyCell became his client, when they needed a bespoke asset management system to track and trace their containers around the world. He joined SkyCell four years ago and since his tenure, has become the head of IT for all companies of Smart Containers Group.
 
Carla Bünger - CMO & Business Development Manager - LinkedIn
Carla is a marketing and sales expert. Building strong brands on solid foundations and convincing clients to buy its underlying products gives her huge satisfaction. She collected her experience through managing various international consumer brands, for companies such as Nestlé, Lindt and Coty. However, she discovered her passion for Blockchain technology roughly 18 months ago and has since been actively participating in the com - munity of Crypto Valley in Switzerland. The sheer endless application possibilities make her strive for more and she is drawing energy and enthusiasm from developing new business schemes around the subject. Her “can do” attitude helped to put together the high level advisory team around our ICO.
 

Advisors

Strategic advisor: Oliver Bussmann, is CEO and Founder of Bussmann Advisory, former CIO of UBS and SAP as well as the President of the Crypto Valley Association. “our main advisor” - Richard
Strategic advisor: Marc Bettinger, Altcoin and Blockchain specialist and investor, Co-Host Altcoin Meetup Switzerland (Bitcoin Association Switzerland)
Strategic Advisor: Fabian Schär is Managing Director of the Center for Innovative Finance at the University of Basel. His research focus is on the potential and applications of blockchain. In addition, he works as a lecturer in blockchain technology at the University of Basel, the University of Applied Sciences in Business Administration Zurich (HWZ) and the University of Applied Sciences Northwestern Switzerland (FHNW).
 
Technology Partner: Lykke Corp. our highly trustworthy expert in smart contract programming and ICO execution. (Lykke also audited their ICO smartcontract)
Legal Advisor: Gabriela Hauser-Spuehler was part of the team of MME, the well-known law firm in the crypto space.
Communication Advisor: David Wachsman and Emma Walker from Wachsman PR, the crypto community’s most experienced PR agency.
Richard also states they hired a lawyer that worked on the Ethereum ICO, but I don’t know if it’s Gabriela up there or another person.

Tokens

Min. investment = $500 USD for ICO, $5000 for presale (largest portion of supply), $250k for private sale.
There are two tokens as mentioned before: SMARC and LOGI. I’m more into SMARC because it’s safe (safe once the payouts start of course, as soon as a coin has a clear value like this, BTC moving up or down doesn’t matter to you), as well as obviously very attractive if you think of the long term profits.
 
Every year, the company’s annual shareholder meeting takes place, during which the shareholders will agree (or negotiate) on a proposal by the Smart Containers’ board about how much of the company profits is to be paid to the shareholders that year. 20% of that amount is taken, converted to ETH, and fairly distributed to the token holders.
Since the cofounders and all token holders will have aligned interests and incentives, we are all in a positive-sum-game. We do not want to use the ICO as a speculative springboard, but as way of funding innovation and change the world. Both Richard and Nico are committed for the long-term and not interested in a quick exit. Our aim is to use the collected funds to continue pushing the following business areas:
• Continue scaling of SkyCell in both B2B and B2C
• Establish FoodGuardians - the main goal if the ICO is to build and scale FoodGuardians
• Establish the of LOGI CHAIN Foundation
• Regularly evaluate organic scaling vs. M&A
• Evaluate IPO at relevant time
We are raising funds through an ICO to grow our container businesses in pharma and food. We push SkyCell from no. 4 to the no. 1 provider in the next 2-3 years.
 
The CEO in this video explains pretty easily why one would want to put money into this ICO over others:
“Why invest? [referring to SMARC] Simple question. It’s an up and coming company with revenue, multiple millions a year, most ICO’s have white papers…[we have much more than that].”
That's pretty clear. You can invest in random Xcoin ICO where they have some half-baked token that might see some level of adoption if it isn't just a cash grab, or you could invest in an actual multimillion-dollar company and be a part of it as it scales into what could potentially be a multibillion dollar entity.
 

The following is taken from the ICO, Legal, and Company FAQ

How will the profit share payouts work? 20% of dividends will be paid in ETH to all holders of SMARC tokens that are in circulation at the time of the payout. A given business year ends on 31st December each year with a general assembly held annually around mid-February. Therefore, dividend payout is expected around mid-March each year. In the event of a total sale of Smart Containers or the exit of one of its lines of business, the holders of SMARC tokens will receive a 20% participation of proceeds
 
Is there a future profit statement? No listed company can make an estimation or a commitment to a future return. To do so would neither be professional nor ethical. For Smart Containers, as with any company, profits may often depend upon a number of external factors, such as the general trust in blockchain technology. The question to be assessed is how fast a new disruptive technology can replace an old system. We believe that Smart Containers Group is well-positioned to facilitate this disruption, with a strong plan going forward and experienced team working to successfully implement blockchain technology in the supply chain. 5 years of industry experience, the 4th largest container fleet and a motivated team; that’s more than any idea whitepaper ICO.
 
What specific rights come with my investment? The SMARC token is a profit share token. When the company generates profits and the company’s general assembly approves a dividend payout, 20% of the defined funds attributed to dividends will be distributed proportionally to holders of SMARC tokens in circulation. In contrast, the LOGI token is a utility token that can be used to pay for transactions on the LOGI CHAIN, an open-source logistics platform for all stakeholders in the logistics field with the goal to create a seamless, fully integrated, digital logistics process.
 
Smart Containers will pay out a dividend to SMARC token holders. This would imply that the SMARC token is a security token. Are you compliant with financial regulation? Smart Containers tokens is not classified as a security in Switzerland under current law. This may be different in other jurisdictions such as the USA. Hence the SMARC token is not eligible for sale in certain jurisdictions. Our benchmark is the Modum token sale from June 2017. We have elected to use the same legal structure as it was accepted by regulators in Switzerland and well received by the ICO community and exchanges.
 
What is the vesting schedule for team and advisors tokens? Everyone will receive SMARC and LOGI tokens at the same time. Minting will occur at the end of the token sale. Advisors will have lock up periods depending on how many tokens they receive. Team members have a lock up period of 12 months.
 
Are SkyCell containers an approved ULD according to IATA regulations? SkyCell containers are exempt from the ULD rules by IATA. This has the huge advantage that, compared to our competitors, the SkyCell container can not only fly but can also leave the airport. Skycell containers are therefore a door-to-door solution. Our competitors’ containers, on the other hand, have to be unloaded at the airport and packed into a new transport unit in order to continue their journey from the airport to the final destination, increasing the risk of temperature excursion, and loss.
 
Are there financial statements? If so, are they audited, and by whom? Yes, there are financial statements for all our companies. They are audited by PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC). To preserve our competitive advantage in the market, we have decided not to publish our financial figures online at this moment in time.
 
Are Modum and Smart Containers competitors? Modum and Smart Containers are not competitors, more future partners. Modum rents/sells sensors to track and trace shipments on temperature, whereas Smart Containers rents/sells the containers, in which products including sensors are put inside. Of course our containers have sensors that record data for quality control, but Smart Containers does not sell these data sets. In the end Modum and Smart Containers will address to the same clients - Smart Containers provides the container and Modum will put a sensor in it.
 
How many airlines fly SkyCell containers? In addition to our major partners, Emirates and CargoLux, more than 30 airlines fly SkyCell containers.
 
What destinations does SkyCell serve? SkyCell is a global company. We are shipping containers around the world and reach each pharma client within 24-48 hours. This is accomplished through our airline partners, that can fly ready-to-use containers to more than 150 airports.
 

Profit Sharing Mechanism

During the annual shareholder meeting, the shareholders in the form of the general assembly (Annual General Assembly) decide on a proposal by Smart Containers’ board regarding the usage of profit as recognized in the annual financial statements of Smart Containers in the form of distribution of dividends. Distribution of a dividend on shares shall be announced in the “Tokenholder Information” section of the Smart Containers website; such announcement shall include the date and time of the dividend payment and the dividend amount per ordinary share in USD as well as the ETH/USD exchange rate which shall become applicable, as derived from publicly available and reliable quotes. Within 20 business days of the date of the resolution passed by the Annual General Assembly regarding dividend payments to the shareholders of Smart Containers, Smart Containers will make available a Profit Share Amount to each authenticated Tokenholder equal to 20% (twenty percent) of all dividends agreed to being distributed per share to the shareholders, divided by the total number of issued SMARC Tokens (To further explain for clarity, all Tokenholders combined will receive an amount equal to 20% of the amount received by all shareholders combined.). SMARC Tokenholders shall receive these payments in ETH, at an average exchange rate specified by Smart Containers.
 

FoodGuardians

“Imagine your tomatoes tasting 1 day ‘fresher”.
One of the main reasons for the SMARC/LOGI ICO is to raise the funds to fuel the growth of FoodGuardians alongside SkyCell.
According to their CEO, SkyCell is constantly asked “can your containers be used for food?”, but there are several issues with shipping food and medicine together. This is where FoodGuardians comes in.
FoodGuardians offers the next generation of reusable containers and boxes to transport regionally and globally temperature sensitive food products.The combination of patented cooling technology, cutting edge insulation and Blockchain infrastructure allows to redefine the product’s freshness and traceability.
Our vision is to allow your local butcher to order your favorite steak directly from the producing farm and sending it straight to your grill party. (All without the buyer even leaving his home, let alone going to store)
 
Advantages of using FoodGuardians
 
Each FoodGuardians container can be tracked around the world on:
 
The phrase “Imagine your tomatoes tasting 1 day ‘fresher” has been used by the CEO a couple times, and is more or less the FoodGuardian slogan. This is referring to the fact that not only can FoodGuardian and SkyCell containers save cost, CO2, and man/brainpower, but they can also make shipments faster when combined with the blockchain (LOGI Chain) and Smart Contracts. when everything is accounted for at every second with almost as little room for human error as possible, things are far more efficient.
We are launching our first food application – we will announce a collaboration before June for a solution that can be used to ship overnight online fresh food to people homes and can be used to supply hospitals and restaurants as well.
FoodGuardians and SkyCell are two of the many possible use-cases for SmartContainers' tech:
"Other use cases. Yes indeed. We are just getting started!! However, it makes sense to focus on scaling SkyCell and FoodGuardians before starting something new. In the end we are a tech company. We have defined 7 use cases around the insulation technology. We have started with the most relevant 2 but will certainly continue."
 

SkyCellONE

SkyCell is looking to bring a business-to-consumer solution to market, that was developed and tested with one of the top 20 pharma companies in the world. The direct to patient market is estimated to increase to a 2.5 billion USD market in the future, with no other competition yet aside from styrofoam containers that are disposed of after one use. The SkyCell ONE can also be co-branded by a partner, such as a pharmacy chain that could rent it out for home delivery, business trips or even holidays.
The product is temperature stable for up to 72 hours, can be recharged passively in a fridge, or temp-controlled warehouse or truck. Currently it’s best in class for size and weight, but that’s probably down to there being no competition! Trials have been undergoing since June 2017 with an orphan drug product, and go live is expected in Q2 2018. - Cryptowithoutborders article
The SkyCell ONE container is showcased HERE
THIS could be a massive money maker. There is currently no direct pharma-2-consumer shipping service, because it really wasn’t profitable, or manageable on a central database. They can even sell this product to other supply chain entities to use. The direct to patient market is estimated to increase to a 2.5 billion USD market in the future, with no other competition yet, aside from styrofoam containers that get disposed of after a single
Q&A: Smart Containers’ Richard Ettl on Blockchain, Pharma, and how His Company’s Hardware and Software is Disrupting the Logistics Industry - Nexchange.com
We are launching also additional sizes – so we are launching a very small box to ship pharma directly to patients' homes. Amazon just recently announced that they will postpone entering the pharma distribution space, as they do not have the technology to ship to patients homes in a temperature controlled manner. We are bringing this to market later this year. This will increase the convenience of patients and reduce the costs in the healthcare system.
 

Organs

I just finished listening to this podcast (20 minutes long, but you can skip the intro stuff to make it shorter of course). I’m now twice as excited as I was before. I’m going to type out a large chunk of the podcast. I’ll be paraphrasing slightly, so I don’t have to type every “uhh” or anything, plus he sometimes starts one sentence before finishing another.
“We have some prototypes, that we built, for example, for the Children’s Hospital here in Zurich, where we’ve designed a container that can transport living skin.” [Interviewer; “Wow.”] “So for young children that suffer skin diseases that could be almost fatal, like cancer, they grow this… patch of skin, and then that skin needs to be transported, and kept at body temperature so… roughly 37 degrees Celsius. There we designed them a box that did this for 10 days, autonomously.” [“That’s amazing…”] “Yeah, we did this because we wanted to learn how to interact and work with hospitals, this is a highly specialized application, and the next step could be organ logistics, because most of the organs today are transported on ice, because that’s the standard set in the 70’s, but studies have shown that if your transport certain tissue at room temperature, it is significantly better for the tissue than if you transport it on ice.”
I can guarantee you every major hospital on earth is going to want their hands on this container that can allow them to transport both living skin, and potentially organs in the future. The fact that in this day and age we’re still throwing people’s kidneys/lungs/etc in a bucket of ice is a little weird.
From the recent AMA:
Our Container BT5: The name stands for Body Temperature 5 L content. It transports skin grafts that was cultured for children with burn accidends. The temperature range is 37°c. Nico (our CTO) was so taken by this project, that he developped this container only for this purpose for a company calles Cutiss (a start-up from Zurich). We currently only have around 10 of these containers in use. It is not produced in on a large scale. We could market it, but have bigger opportunities to tackle first with the SkyCell one. You can only focus on 1-2 projects at a time. The BT5 is a beautiful project, but will need manpower to scale production and then manpower to market it.
 

Competition

Envirotainer, The leading company in this field, has only a matter of time before they’re overtaken. SmartContainer Group’s containers are proven to be superior (5x as efficient, 35% lighter, self-charging, etc, etc, read up above for the whole deal). According to the Googles, Envirotainer’s best year (2015) saw a profit of $50,000,000. It’s logical to assume that Smartcontainers will surpass them as the top dog, and at the same time be pulling in much more profit over time by serving both pharma, and the food industry (Envirotainer only does pharma). By accepting cryptocurrency payments, saving them a fair bit in fees from cross border payments, they’ll also net a small % more in profits annually.
I asked about the state of their competition. Turns out, Envirotainer (or more specifically the private equity firm that owns them) offered SmartContainers a buy out of $125m. This was one of countless offers they've turned down, because they believe they can scale the company to much further value. The firm selling Envirotainer has been trying to find a buying for the past 3 years, at $1b. No one will buy them, because anyone who knows their shit in that industry knows SmartContainers will overtake them in no time.
From April's AMA:
Our 2 biggest competitors are for sale. Envirotainer (biggest player) is owned by a Private Equity company that wants to sell it for 1 b USD. it already tries to sell for 3 years. SkyCell is considered a threat to the valuation of Envirotainer, since we are winning one client after the other from them. While Envirotainer is the largest player with a huge sales force and well established client contacts, they are still operating on an "old" technology. SkyCell is technology leader, has lighter containers, reduces CO2 emissions and is considered to be the future.
2 days ago, a private equity company requested a meeting to see the valuation of SkyCell and evaluate to buy. We have already been approached several times. We are treated as the bride in the market. However, Richard and Nico think we can scale the business much more before we should consider to sell. We are just getting started.
We have won 3 large accounts in Q1. Today we have 1200 containers. By the end of the year, it will be 2000. Our business plan estimates that SkyCell will be profitable in 2019. Therefore you can expect first dividends in Q1 2020.
 

Official Projections

Another redditor asked for "optimistic expectations for potential profits" during their ama, here was their answer:
How does a profit of 21 m USD on Smart Containers total in 2020 sound? This figure will then quadruple in 2021 to 76 m USD.
As you can see, this would mean that by 2021 tokenholders would not even have broken even yet. I myself am fine with this, i'm expecting to hold SMARC until the end (be it I die or the company sells, in which case i'll enjoy that fat exit payout). The potential gains from 2020-2030 are far more worth it to me than trying to make it in one year with heavy risk.
So why invest in this over a random shitcoin that might moon? If you're here to turn $1000 into $1m and get out by the end of the year, good luck, don't invest in smarc. If you're realistic and are aware that crypto will only be so volatile for so long, go ahead and think about putting a bit of your portfolio in something that will have actual value, lasting long after the shitcoins die. Crypto market could crash at any time, but that doesn't mean that SmartContainers as a company goes anywhere, nor their profits. I don't think I need to explain any further.

So…

A 5 year old company, with over 100,000 collective hours of R&D put into their products, with currently just under 100 innovative patents, that is already the 4th largest of it’s kind in the world, with the top product in their field on earth, is doing an ICO that is fully backed by the Swiss government, with a token that is due 20% of all future shareholder payouts, as well as 20% of any potential exit profits (the company being purchased). They’re already this big, and you can benefit from both their success, and their expansion into new markets.
There’s nothing stopping SmartContainers Group/SkyCell/FoodGuardians from working with VeChain in the future either. Or Walton, or Wabi, Devery, OriginTrail, Ambrosus, all of em.
 

Links4U:

SmartContainers
https://smartcontainers.ch/
https://foodguardians.ch
https://skycell.ch/
Whitepaper
FAQ
Terms of Token Sale
CryptoWithBorders Article
Medium post reviewing SmartContainers
Interview with Richard Ettl, Co-Founder & CEO of Smart Containers on SMARC Token Sale | TechBullion
Interview with Richard Ettl - CryptoRich - Richard talks about some of their patents in this video, I think about 20 minutes in. Whole thing was worth watching imo
Podcast on how Blockchain + Smart Contracts will change how we ship things globally - 20 minutes, I REALLY recommend you listen through it, but do skip the intro if you want.
CEO Richard Ettl speaking at Crypto Finance Conference in St.Moritz - about 14 minutes, also highly recommend you watch this as well.
SkyCell Video
Strategic Advisor Oliver Bussman (President of the Crypto Valley Association, Former CIO of UBS and SAP), on SmartContainers
Marc Bettinger on why he took an advisory role with SmartContainers - (many may know him as "altcoindad")
Michael Guzik - Former 'Head of Blockchain' at PWC, current Head of ICO advisory at Lykke - why he's involved with the Smarc/Logi ICO
AMA with Carla Bünger - CMO & Business Development Manager of SmartContainers
AMA with Thomas Taroni - Head of IT of Smart Containers
Q&A w/ Richard Ettl - Nexchange
 
Should you invest in this? I sure am, and am very glad to even be offered the opportunity, but it’s up to you. Read through this post if you haven't yet, then click these links and decide for yourself. Don't go all in of course, since this is a profit share token, there is much less risk, therefore less short term reward. The long term reward is what we're looking at here, don't buy into the ICO and then complain that you aren't getting 1000% ROI payouts by year one.
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